RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MARTELI am not saying there won't be adjustments. Of course there will be. That is why the equity portion is valued at a range of 5.8-6.2B Euro.
I am saying that the cash at BT is included in the EV of 7.45 Euro. It is not included in the 'net' proceeds of $4.2-4.5B to BBD. This is mentioned in both press releases, and illustrated
very clearly on page 6 of the presentation.
If you doubt this, I suggest you contact BBD investor relations directly.
Jim
BBDB859 wrote: Sorry correction.
The last paragragh I wrote should have read "loose numbers" and "no one knows"
Ok . I have re-read it. Page 6 says nothing to change what I have relayed to you in the my last post. In fact it says that expected cash receits will fluctuate from from $4.2 to $4.5B. So that just says the net cash can vary depending on BT's performance.
That's the point I'm trying to relay to you.
859
Jim99999 wrote: The number of shares owned by the Bombardier/Beaudoin is readily available on Bombardier's website. I suggest you avail yourself of that resource. While you are there, you may wish to peruse the aforementioned presentation. Or not.
Jim
BBDB859 wrote: Jim.
Read the article in the original link I sent you to read on Seaking Alpha. That's where the hint is for the amount of available room for the Family may have to sell shares without losing control. I guessed that they could possibly have room for $1B. The Alpha analyst was saying that, if they tried to get $3B out of the offering than they would lose control. Do you HAVE PROOF of the families holdings for your assumption?
As for reading all those other links that you sent to prove that the Bomber has to give $1B with the BT Sale to Alstom. That's a mistake on your part. Whatever Inventory and Account Receivables or near finished inventory at the time of closing, will be calculated and accounted for as credit. Or reduction in the case of Debit, if BT takes on a lot of debt on their books by closing. Either way, of up or down adjustments are going to be done Dollar for Dollar on closing. That is what the Press release from Alstom, that you are refering says.
Also, the reason they have lose numbers for Bombardier net value on the Alstom deal is exactly because no one known what the adjustments will be on closing. That's will depend on the Bombers performance from now till closing.
859
Jim99999 wrote: If BBD is able to pay off the approximately $3.1B that is due in 2021 and 2022, they will have approximately
$6.15B in long term debt remaining, at a weighted average interest rate of
7.3541%. This will result in annual interest expense of slightly over $450M.
BBD can not issue any significant number of shares, or the family will lose control. They
will not let this happen. I have no idea where you got the idea there is room to issue $1B worth of shares, but that idea is absolutely incorrect.
The net proceeds from the Alstom deal, stated as $4.2-4.5B, do not account for the cash at BT that goes to Alstom. Please do not take my word for it. Read the Alstom press release, the BBD press release, and the presentation entitled 'Strategic Decision to Focus on Business Aviation', dated Feb 17,2020, available for download at ir.bombardier.com. In particular, note page 6 of that presentation.
Jim
BBDB859 wrote: Reprinted with corrections below.
Here is the article.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4374077-whether-is-value-in-bombardier-preferred-shares?utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha&mail_subject=bdrbf-whether-there-is-value-in-bombardier-preferred-shares&utm_campaign=rta-stock-article&utm_content=link-2
Read it first and it will answer your scepticism about the 7.1 % interest rate.
Then read the part on the families amount of holdings in the case of a share offering. It looks to me that they may have some wiggle room for another $1 billion without losing control.
You say below.
"
The Alstom deal was projected to net $4.2-4.5B, less the anticipated approximately $1B cash on hand at BT that goes with BT to Alstom, for a real net of $3.2-3.5B."
The question I have for you is. Why do you think that on closing Bombardier has to give the $1 Billion cash on hand to the Buyer. That is unheard of. If your math is right. Then why don't we include the the Inventory of BT with the Sale. Or even the receivables, or better, why don't we give them part of BBA too.
BBDB859
Jim99999 wrote: BBDB859 wrote: Will Martel be able to fix this blunder?
In hindsight.
-The CSeries was a travesty. Even though a good product. Leave it to Bombardier to screw up. It was the downfall of the Bomber.
-All Belemare ever did fof his 5 year plan was divest every asset of the Bomber until there was nothing left to sell.
-Come Martel. Let's see what "The reshaping of the company's Capital Structure" means to us shareholders.
First Dilution. Second, possible positive quarters.Third.possible partial sale of BBA. Then fourth of course, the proverbial increase in MARGINS at BBA. That can only happen through Martel's running of BBA, as a profitable company. That is within his control. Fifth the renegotiating of the debt. As Seaking Alpha said today. After the sale of BT. There is still going to be a $6.5 Billion debt of 7.1% average. I happen to think that Alpha is being a little pessimistic here. I think the debt will be closer to to $5 Billion. With a debt service of $350 mill.
BA has to carry the above debt and produce great margins to the tune of 9% to get even anywhere near profitability. Othewise the above alternatives will occur. Either a partial sale of BT and even a heavy dilution to the B's to raise capital.
Whatever the end result of this Company will be in the next year? Martel has to execute flawlessly. I hope that they can close the Belfast deal as well, as fix the Legacy problems, and get those trains out the door before the Alstom closing as well.
Martel has his work cut out for him. But it's not impossible. The profit Margins at BBA are within his control.
Let's just see where he'll take us.
BBAB859
I am curious as to how you think dilution will occur. The family will not give up control, nor do they seem inclined to put in any more money. Therefore, no more shares will be issued, in my opinion.
Debt of less than $6.5B seems unlikely to me, especially with the Spirit deal in question.
The Alstom deal was projected to net $4.2-4.5B, less the anticipated approximately $1B cash on hand at BT that goes with BT to Alstom, for a real net of $3.2-3.5B. As well, BBD is required to pay 50% of the balance owing on the new $1B credit facility when Alstom closes. I do not see BBD being able to reduce their debt by more than $3B, especially if the Spirit deal falls through. On top of that, the average rate will be closer to 7.5% as near as I can tell.
Martel must increase revenues, improve margins, and lower interest expense if BBD is to succeed.
Jim
[/quote]