RE:What does Chen mean by "24, 25 model in 2022 for IVY"?I listened and listened a second time. Chen was clearly stating year for implementation. Keep in mind, automotive model year comes out year prior. He also said kicking tires with OEM's and trying to figure out how subscription base will work, as opposed to royalty base of QNX. The China test start deal announced yesterday is HUGE! Chen provided thorough answers to excellent questions, with very little stumbling. He explained being the worldwide leader and that there will be competition. Yesterday on CNBC the talking head lady was clearly fed question about Cyber spinoff. Lots of fun stuff in store once inevitable revenue ramp is made clear. What many don't realize is the headstart is insurmountable... it's not unlike the 35 years headstart of QNX. Let the second and third best fight for their market share, while Chen fields offers for sale of company to remain as a BlackBerry QNX/IVY Security Division of fill in the blank behemoth. BLACKBERRY SECURE. If nothing else, Chen has been in a near decade long game of chess and he is a master of perseverance and fluid mental acuity. Checkmate is coming folks and that's why we're seeing desperation to the point of flailing. Disingenuous f_ _ks like Cramer can spin it however they direct him to, but word is out. You can take a guy out of the backseat car bedroom, but he's that same loser... just a rich loser, but a loser nonetheless. The guy diggin' a ditch has a lady at home who wants him. The typical WS doorknob has a wife who doesn't want to be near the guy.