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Aleafia Health Inc. is a federally licensed Canadian cannabis company offering cannabis products in Canadian adult-use and medical markets and in select international markets. The Company is engaged in the production, sale, and distribution of cannabis. It operates a virtual medical cannabis clinic staffed by physicians and nurse practitioners which provide health and wellness services across... see more

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Aleafia Health Inc > Crouching tiger hidden weed stock - ALEAFIA OVERLOOKED!
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Post by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 10, 2021 11:08pm

Crouching tiger hidden weed stock - ALEAFIA OVERLOOKED!

Hi folks,

First and foremost, I have a position in Aleafia and want to disclose this, as there could be bias. Though I try my best to keep everything factual. Please, if you see any major discrepancies or numbers that can be adjusted. Kindly comment and I will make adjustments. This data was hard to collect as a few of these companies are far from transparent when it comes to their capacity, facilities, and kilograms of output. Regardless, I was able to piece some things together to provide some insight into a deep value play.

The stockprice is as of Friday Oct 8, 2021. Please note this post is not a solicitation to purchase or sell any of the listed investments. Always conduct a financial professional when making any major financial decisions. I am not affiliated with these companies so this is merely opinion. I cannot guarantee complete accuracy.

 

NAME AN KG OUT APROX POTEN OUT KG SQ/FT CAPIBI FREE CASH FLO +/- PER QTR   FREE CASH FLO LAST FOUR QTR STOCK SYM STOCK PRICE
Canopy 150k 653.1k 5.2 Mil -202.8k Q1 2020 -829.5K WEED $16.46
        -313.1k Q2 2020      
        -127.3k Q3 2020      
        -186.3k Q4 2021      
                 
Aurora 142.5k 700.6k 5.6 Mil -73.4k Q4 2020 -254k ACB $8.99
        -59.5k Q1 2020      
        -65.7k Q2 2020      
        -55.4k Q3 2021      
                 
Organigram 150k 250.5k 2 Mil -15.3k Q4 2020 -42.5k OGI $2.81
        -2.49k Q1 2020      
        -8.91k Q2 2021      
        -15.83k Q3 2021      
                 
Aleafia Health 127k 492k 3.9 Mil -10.4k Q3 2020 -38.4 AH $0.29
        -10k Q4 2020      
        -7k Q1 2021      
        -10.8k Q2 2021      

 

So what does this all mean? First AN KG OUT APROX is me approximating what the company is currently outputting annually for Kilograms of flower. POTEN OUT KG is me completely guessing what the potential max output is for KG when these companies use their full square footage to grow. I was able to ascertain lots of data from various websites and news articles. Once I sort of got a feel for how much square footage could produce for one company I just used that ratios for other to approximate. SQ/FT CAPIBI is what the companies have in square footage. I tried to be as accurate as possible. Some companies list all of their facilities and footage alongside being very transparent, while others like WEED really try and not let you know.

FREE CASH FLO +/- PER QTR is where things get really important. We need to know if a company is making money from their actual business operations. What does this mean? Business operations are the companies main day to day activity that generates cash flow/income and in some cases profit. This being said when you look at the financial statements of these companies they always include things like the sale of buildings, or other items that are not their primary source of income. These have to be stripped out of the statements to see the companies true cash flow and are they really profitable or not. I am going to provide one example as I need to be very clear on how important this is.

EXAMPLE (ASSUME END OF YEAR STATEMENT): A pizza company shows $100,000 positive cash flow. However, they only sold $50,000 worth of pizza and had $60,000 in overhead expense. It was a bad year due to COVID. How in the hell are they showing positive cash flow of $100,000? When their day to day operations are failing financially. Well they sold one of their ovens for $110,000. So instead of their cash flow showing -$10,000 it shows $100,000. This provides a very unclear image of how the business is actually performing. This is exactly what happens with these cultivators above. So I went and stripped some items out of their cash flow and added some items back.

HOW WAS ALEAFIAS CASHFLOW DERIVED ABOVE AND THE REASONING?
Added back - increase or decrease in marketable securities - WHY: Because if the value of marketable securities the company holds (this is other stocks not their own) goes up or down this will increase or decrease available cash flow
Added back - Debt, lease, and dividend servicing payments - WHY: This is simple the company obviously had some cash in order to make these payments. That cash had to come from their business earnings.
Added back - Atypical uses of cash - WHY: The company again had cash from their business and used it for some unregular purchases.
Subtracted - Proceeds from new debt, leases, and shares issued - WHY: Because these proceeds are not real business operations income. If the company is constantly cash flow negative they will have to continue to secure new debt or issue more shares. I need to see what their cash flow is without them adding in proceeds from this type of stuff. I hope this really makes sense as it is so key in what I am illuminating above.
Subtracted - A typical sources of cash - WHY: Again this was cash received from atypical sources in other words not their day to day business of selling flower, CBD, or derivatives from these sources like gummies and oil.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?
When I look at the above I see that Aleafia is actually the closest of all the companies to maybe turning a profit in the coming quarters. All these big well known names that every financial advisor touts are still losing a lot of money. Aleafia is very cost control conscience and if they can pull things together I think this puppy has a lot of room to match Organigrams stock price and creep up on Aurora over time. These guys are in the game but hidden in the pack. Which is good for investors looking for something that hasn't been rallied up yet. It has a lot of hype potential as I would put it.

SUPPORTING FACTS THAT SHOULD FURTHER ELEVATE ALEAFIAS PRICE
Let me ask you a question. Would you rather own a stock after the big money has bought in? Or before the big money has bought in? If you answered after you are letting the smart money take advantage of the bigger gains. I have worked in finance for over seventeen years at the big institutions. These hedge funds, pension funds, mutual fund managers, ETF managers, etc. All have analyst and what do these analyst do. They dig through the books strip out items and find the true cash flow of companies. Sometimes it takes them awhile to get to the not so well known names as they want to not only find a bargain but ride popularity momentum as well. I am hope all the little guys get in before the smart money. So instead of us propping up their price. They prop up our price! I took a look at Aurora, Canopy, and Organigram. They all had anywhere from 12 to 18% smart money ownership and were part of numerous ETF baskets. Aleafia has around 7% smart money ownership which means when it become popular that number should double and maybe even more when all the ETF baskets pick it up as the price moves up.

I went to Simply Wall St to have a look at their numbers. Check it out yourself. They value Aleafia at over $8. This being said they do some discounting calculations which I am not getting into and they used a 5% cost of capital. Which is way too low as Aleafia's cost of capital is around 10%, I had to ascertain this information from the executives by reading between the lines; I was lucky enough to nab a phone interview and bring my hit man economist of the line to get some numbers that allowed us to figure out a value. We anticipate over $2 and that is not trading at a multiple. If you look at all these competitors who have not made a cent. They trade at very high multiples.

I then took a look at insider trading for my above list. While competitor insiders are dumping out, Aleafia's owners are busy buying in. You are welcome to verify this through Simply Wall St or SEDAR.

Three are other elements too. Aleafia is able to product flower at 6 cents to 8 cents a gram and produce identical quality to its competitors. What I really like is originally Aleafia was selling their flower at wholesale (really silly idea) to the competitors. Management stepped in and said woah wait a minute. The money is not in wholesale the money is in taking our flower and turning all of it into products marking it up gastronomically and selling it in stores. So they redirected the ship. As they did the cash flow nears zero. Shortly I think they will finally be in the positive. If and when they do, this thing is going to start sailing past a dollar quickly.

I hope you enjoyed this read. That sheet above took longer than you think. Try breaking out the finances yourself and you will come to the same realizations. I am just trying to save you the time.

All the best in your endeavours!

CaliSpecial33

Comment by Spirost on Oct 10, 2021 11:28pm
Greattt post
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 9:25am
Spirost thank you! I have indentified a few things that I can change based on some comments so I will post a new one shortly. I appreciate the positive feedback. Sometimes these boards can be really mean but everyone has been very receptive. CaliSpecial33
Comment by Cannabasis on Oct 11, 2021 5:58am
Well done and agreed on most. Especially the points of comparing Aleafia to its peers and the behaviour of smart money. Could you still elaborate how you come to Aleafias 492k kg potential grow outcome?
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 9:12am
Hi Cannabasis, Thank you for taking the time to read my article I really appreciate it. The potential output could be way off or a good guestimate. What I did was looked at Aurora who states they can grow about 700kg at full capacity and their square footage. I created a ratio by dividing the square footage by the kg output. So square footage numerator and kg output in the denominator. This ratio ...more  
Comment by Cannabasis on Oct 11, 2021 9:50am
Thanks mate, appreciate your efforts. Though we must not compare apples with pears! I assume you included Alefias outdoor space with green house space of others. Which simply is two different pair of shoes in many terms. Quantity, quality, but first and foremost price! This year Q3 and Q4 plus potentially Q1 next year will have to show if Aleafia can become a full winner. Its highly possible but ...more  
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 5:46pm
Well put and I see your point when it comes to apples to pears. It is hard to seperate the two as I did some digging and it seems the quality of both indoor and outdoor can both be very similar if not identical. The scare part that bugs me a little bit is that outdoor could suffer from weather conditions. I am guessing they may have some sort of insurance but maybe a question I should ask their IR ...more  
Comment by Cannabasis on Oct 12, 2021 5:08am
Mate, you gotta start learning the basics. Indoor and outdoor is two different pair of shoes. To Beginn with the fact that you have completely different growing cycles with multiple harvests indoor vs only one harvest per year outdoor. So in terms of your potential grow capacity analysis its not comparable at all.
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Comment by Toweringmars on Oct 12, 2021 9:32am
Quick question. Are other LP's trading at earnings multiples or sales multiples? 15x Sales (which others are trading at) divided by your 500m shares outstanding gives you a S/P of 2.40. Slight difference. 80m x 15X multiple = 1.2b / 500m s/o = 2.4
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Comment by Toweringmars on Oct 12, 2021 10:02am
When you strip OGI of its debt to cash on hand they have just over 50m in debt, with roughly 300m shares o/s. Sound familiar? Their Sales for 2020 was 86m. This year their q1-14.6, q2-20.3, q3-29.1... Which means with growth in q4 they're on pace for 94m... Even in this bear market in the sector they're trading at 857m... On 94m... If we we're valued at 857m we'd be trading at 2 ...more  
Comment by Cannabasis on Oct 12, 2021 10:29am
Fully agree with you on that Towering. Question is just how many Qs in a row Aleafia need to deliver u til market realizes. Never forget. We all trade the future on stock markets. From my point of view it gets imminent if Q3 is approx. A double from Q2. We will all know in a month.
Comment by wrangler327 on Oct 12, 2021 12:17pm
Great question. Hoping it won't take more than 3q's to prove it. It's game time. Pretty sure they all know it. 
Comment by wrangler327 on Oct 12, 2021 12:15pm
That's the ticket right there.
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Comment by rad10 on Oct 12, 2021 1:38pm
Hopefully Cali will put some revised numbers out.  I still have a few debentures bought at 60 cents on the dollar for > 13% yield (without capital appreciation).  The addition of the 10 million secured debt makes me think these won't get par next June.  Standard gambit is to delay repayment on the unsecured until the secured becomes due, which shunts you down the line. Debs ...more  
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LMFAO any excuse to talk about yourself or debentures and you just cant help yourself. I tell ya, if your grandkids ever need to play hide and seek all one has to do is yell debentures and you're old as$s will come hobbling out' the woodworks in a fevered rant about gas money and sunfires. Calm down Gilligan.  Dont drop your dentures.
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Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 12, 2021 4:25pm
I definitely will try and take all the input and get some new numbers out. The sheet took awhile as this is just a part time hobby worked into a busy life. Also I did not anticipate this much response to my article. Which is great in some senses, but now I have to read everything to make sure I include everyones input or take it into consideration. I have been really impressed with the comments ...more  
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Comment by Toweringmars on Oct 12, 2021 1:57pm
You're missing the Derivative liabilities (Note 12) of 44,731. And how much of their cash is already pulled from that credit facility? Lord knows BMO pulled 50% of the 110+ million they gave them and reduced the revolver from like 25m to 2m. Mind you its irrelevant. Their 850 million dollar market cap isnt coming from 58m cash on hand. You cant deny theres a massive difference in the way ...more  
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Comment by rad10 on Oct 11, 2021 6:31am
This is a truly excellent write up.  BBs should be about exchanging viewpoints. The thesis falls apart when you look at the capital structure and liquidity.  I call it the "length of the runway". WEED  has 2.1 billion in cash and equivalents on its balance sheet ACB has over 400 million. AH has how much? with 40 million due in 8 months......They just borrowed a secured 10 ...more  
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 9:04am
Rad10 - This is a really great response. I am going to add shares outstanding and available cash. Thank you for taking the time to provide your very valid input!
Comment by rad10 on Oct 11, 2021 10:49am
Cali so nice to have some rational civility on this BB for a change.  Thank you! The 12% secured loan should give some insight as to just how tight things will get next year.  It's a secured short term loan, for a relatively small amount, and the rate is astronomical. The noose is tightening. I look forward to reading your updates, and crunching those numbers. Post ...more  
Comment by Scumraiff on Oct 11, 2021 11:38am
Gag me with a fkn spoon. Stfu alread you granny pounding, multi alias Rad-David-Bell10 fool. This place does just fine when you're offline preoccupied cleaning septic tanks on my cow island. Hard to imagine the time you wasted posting ball washing comments relentlessly with your multiple this past Thanksgiving holiday. It certainly does prove to this entire board how troubled of a tool you are ...more  
Comment by rad10 on Oct 11, 2021 12:46pm
Holy shoot - there's 25 pages of absolute drivel.  Can't take ownership for that champ.  I mention one classic Kevin Spacey movie character and the place blows up. it's not a full moon - there was a beautiful crescent over the lake last night. Happy Columbus Day / Thanksgiving.
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this brave boy has gotten himself a new ID.   Oh the irony.  Smiles.... 
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Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 5:37pm
I am not sure who you are referring to as multiple user name. I have not posted on here since about five years ago and someone said I was smoking meth. I still used the same user name CaliSpecial33. I have been more careful to try and include some good substance in my articles. 
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Comment by rad10 on Oct 11, 2021 7:19pm
Yes Cali, Agree with Tradecraft.   I would love to read a scenario where they can perform a Houdini manoeuvre. Please ignore the bozos with their brave anonymous attacks!   Some very bitter, deeply troubled losers on this board.
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Comment by bIaggers on Oct 11, 2021 8:01pm
You got it all wrong... Hes a wall street hedge fund manager... Hes in between meetings.. on a coffee break so he is posting to pass the time He just met with Warren Buffett and is waiting to speak with Mark Cuban. Never liked him. That rad guy is sneaky. 
Comment by LarryCurlyMoses on Oct 11, 2021 8:40pm
It's all self-rad10-inflicted. He's turned what should be a board of thoughtful discussion into a childish playground. He's his own worst enemy who can't be trusted. I only drop in occasionally but someone contacted me about his sillyness. 
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 9:07pm
I am not upset or worried. I just wish there was not a huge battle and everyone could just take a breath. I will take all comments into consideration and make adjustments. Everyone gets their input. I am not one to judge.
Comment by DrRadPaul10 on Oct 11, 2021 10:04pm
This is a truly another excellent write up.  Been enjoying time with family. The waves are relaxing.  So much to be thankful for. Did I mention I was once a doctor too?  All will be fine. Rad10 is not the only handles I have ever used. Smiles.  Happy thanksgiving Cali!
Comment by Toweringmars on Oct 12, 2021 9:17am
Lol, keep the fluffing at bay boys.  You sound like a schoolyard clique.
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 5:40pm
I hold a position so I could be biased. I am saddened to see people fighting back and forth under my title for my post :( This being said I am open to both positive and negative opinions. I would be foolish not to listen to the pessimism as well. There is validity to both sides. Right now I think Aleafia is close to a cointoss when it comes to survival. They do have debt coming up. I am just ...more  
Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 5:43pm
Rad10 Thank you for your input. I completely agree. I want to rebuild the sheet with shares oustanding included to compare dilution amongst the companies as well. Maybe I should have an upcoming debt obligations column too. I really appreciate everyones input both negative and positive. All points are valid and taken into consideration. I swallow ego and just look at the data as best I can.
Comment by IMB on Oct 11, 2021 7:21am
I have thought this way for a long time.
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Comment by CaliSpecial33 on Oct 11, 2021 8:55am
I can not remember where I found the 127 kg output. I will contact their IR and see if I can get a more accurate figure. If you look at my cash flow table I have indicated their cash flow is negative. I was just indicated Aleafia is closer to hitting $0 and above in the coming quarters, potentially. As you mentioned they have some debt they may need to service. Thank you for the input adjustments ...more  
Comment by wrangler327 on Oct 11, 2021 10:06am
Enjoyed the post. I've always been a believer. Their stars are aligning nicely. Thanks for sharing.
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Comment by Toweringmars on Oct 12, 2021 9:07am
Great post Cali, was a nice read for a change. I've slowely stopped coming out with posts with any merrit or depth to them as they've become stale with such an audience.  There are a few posters who bother, but most of them just whine and complain. And after all is said and done they ask silly questions as if they've missed all the points in your post to begin with. This isnt by ...more  
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