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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Surge Energy Inc (Alberta) T.SGY

Alternate Symbol(s):  ZPTAF | T.SGY.DB.B

Surge Energy Inc. is a Canada-based oil focused exploration and production (E&P) company. The Company's business consists of the exploration, development and production of oil and gas from properties in Western Canada. It holds focused and operated light and medium gravity crude oil properties in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, characterized by large oil in place crude oil reservoirs with... see more

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Surge Energy Inc (Alberta) > Losing hedges; we're not alone
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Post by Dibah420 on Nov 10, 2021 1:36pm

Losing hedges; we're not alone

Occidental Loses Money on Oil Hedge After Huge 2020 Payout

 
 
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(Bloomberg) -- Oil and gas producer Occidental Petroleum Corp.’s move to hedge its output has been a roller coaster over the past two years.

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Occidental, one of the Permian Basin’s biggest producers, lost an estimated $339 million from its oil and gas hedges this year through Sept. 30, the latest quarterly filing showed. That includes losses not yet realized. Last year, the company made $960 million from its hedges after prices collapsed, according to regulatory filings.

 

Despite the loss from its hedges, the explorer posted a $791 million profit in the first three quarters of the year due to rising oil and gas prices.

The company, which typically doesn’t hedge, took the rare step of locking in future output after its decision to acquire Anadarko Petroleum in 2019. It entered into a so-called costless collar structure for 2020 where two different options are sold to fund the purchase of a put option that would allow the holder to sell crude at a pre-determined price. However, Occidental sold additional call options for 2021 to increase the ceiling price, capping its upside if oil prices rose above $74.16 a barrel in 2021. It subsequently also added natural gas hedges using a collar.

As Brent crude prices surge, the hedge increasingly loses value. The global oil benchmark has been above $74.16 every day since late September and is currently trading near $83 as demand outstrips supply across the world.

Based on futures prices on Sept. 30, Occidental was expected to lose $110 million on its natural gas hedge and $138 million on the crude hedge in the fourth quarter, according to estimates from Danny Adkins, oil and gas markets analyst at BloombergNEF. As of today, those losses have climbed to $300 million on oil and $90 million for natural gas, Adkins said.

A company representative declined to comment on the hedges.

Occidental will all but end hedging next year due to the run-up in oil and gas prices, Chief Financial Officer Rob Peterson said on a call with analysts last week.

(Updates with company response in penultimate paragraph.)

Comment by ariesleaf on Nov 10, 2021 1:46pm
Loosing on SGY is the worst thing that could happen to you. Worry about your self. Not the other guy.
Comment by Dibah420 on Nov 10, 2021 2:16pm
"Worry" in this business can be deadly.  Watch out for your ulcers. 
Comment by geezer21 on Nov 10, 2021 2:16pm
All the oil producers are losing on hedges some more then others.  Surge's hedges are running out in the near future as opposed to many others that go out a long way.
Comment by ariesleaf on Nov 10, 2021 2:29pm
Banks will put more hedges on.
Comment by geezer21 on Nov 10, 2021 8:52pm
"Banks will put more hedges on." How do you know that?  What rationale do you have for that? When oil is climbing and debt being paid down there would be no justification for putting more hedges on.  As debt gets paid down the risk level to the banks is declining rapidly.
Comment by Baystboy07 on Nov 10, 2021 9:18pm
SGY is being run by Banks...all excess cash flow is going to the Bank...also many loan agreements have clauses that allow Banks to force hedges on the company...all the bank cares about is getting debt paid back...not the equity holders...
Comment by geezer21 on Nov 11, 2021 7:34am
"SGY is being run by Banks...all excess cash flow is going to the Bank...also many loan agreements have clauses that allow Banks to force hedges on the company...all the bank cares about is getting debt paid back...not the equity holders..." None of what you say is true when I read the corporate and financial reports.
Comment by Baystboy07 on Nov 11, 2021 2:45pm
Really...if it is not why are they not announcing capital plans for return of FCF to shareholders like pretty much every other oil stock has....it is because their bank does not let them that is why...time will tell...the Banks force the hedges to ensure Surge pays its loans...nothing will change until those loans get paid down...Management may be running day to day but they have no ability for ...more  
Comment by geezer21 on Nov 11, 2021 6:11pm
Dividends are the last thing you want. You do not want a few percentage return on your equity in a company.  You want your equity earning a high rate of return through business operations of the company.  You also want to keep debt that is earning more in income than what is getting paid out in interest. The best performer of all the oil producers below is Surge Energy with a 178 ...more  
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