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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum StageZero Life Sciences Ltd T.SZLS

Alternate Symbol(s):  SZLSF

StageZero Life Sciences, Ltd. is a Canada-based vertically integrated healthcare company. The Company is engaged in improving the early detection and management of cancer and other chronic diseases through diagnostics and telehealth programs that provide clinical interventions to assist patients who have cancer (COC Protocol), and help patients reduce the risk of developing late-stage disease... see more

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StageZero Life Sciences Ltd > Any idea why the new warrants are priced
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Post by Northerencents on Dec 04, 2020 10:51pm

Any idea why the new warrants are priced

Higher a sign of sp futures?
Comment by LithLover on Dec 04, 2020 11:38pm
Higher offering price, higher warrant price and only a half warrant per share in the offering.  Yes future looks brighter.  Don't have to give as much away 
Comment by InvrsContrarian on Dec 05, 2020 4:55am
I think this was brought up earlier. Well here goes, the ".wt" warrants have over 66 million in circulation, while the ".ws" have about 4.6 million. Less market more volatily. Less chance that people will buy them. Also the wt warrants need an 8 to 1 to convert to a single share at a price of $0.72 while then ws warrant need a 2 to 1 to convert to a single share of $1.10. While ...more  
Comment by InvrsContrarian on Dec 05, 2020 5:01am
Ok corrected here for the ws warrants. Each Warrant is exercisable to purchase one Common Share at any time prior to December 4, 2023 at a price of $1.10 per Common Share. There's your answer as to why the warrants are price higher. In actual fact: at wt.0.07x8=0.56+0.72=1.28 Ws. 0.18+1.10=1.28 So someone got a bargain first thing this morning when they sold for 0.16
Comment by davewho on Dec 05, 2020 8:40am
Szls.sw are 1/2 warrants not full warrants. So you need 2 to buy a full share. So wouldn't it be 18 +18 + $1.10 = $1.36 needed to be in the money. Assuming you are keeping them to excerice in 2023. I don't own any but this would be my understanding? Nice timeline on them though. 
Comment by davewho on Dec 05, 2020 9:38am
sorry I see the szls.ws closed at 16 cents according to TD. So if each is a half warrant. It would be 16+16+1.10 = 1.42 to be in the money if you are planning to hold them. Trading them is completely different strategy. 
Comment by Str8Shuter on Dec 05, 2020 10:20am
Neither WS nor WT are partial warrants.  They are both full warrants.  You can't trade in half-warrants.  The half warrants were just the incentive for the investors who participated in the most recent public offering.  Each full DEC/23 warrant (i.e. two half warrants) is tradable as SZLS.WS. There is no conversion factor for the WS warrants as there is for WT.  A ...more  
Comment by davewho on Dec 05, 2020 10:36am
Thanks for the info on warrants! Makes sense.
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 10:47am
Thats not quite right, the warrants that are up for sale are the same half warrants that were offered. The warrant holders can't modify the terms of the warrants they've recieved when they sell them, so they are exactly as they got them. So half warrants, just like the WT require you buy 8 to exercise to 1 share, you will have to buy 2 WS in order to exercise to 1 share. Maybe I'm just ...more  
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 11:20am
Best thing to do is call your brokerage, they have custodial teams that deal with investment vehicle inventories and they can look at the terms of each warrant and explain the differences between WT and WS to you. Like Lith said, warrants are tricky right up until they they aren't, and if you still feel confused or uncertain, it's best to talk to someone first before spending your hard ...more  
Comment by vicky55 on Dec 05, 2020 11:31am
Pour ceux qui ont un portefeuille actions ordinaire,est ce que cette nouvelle est bonne ....
Comment by LithLover on Dec 05, 2020 11:40am
Ignore
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 12:08pm
Really? I was actually going to give her an honest answer regarding arbitrage and pricing descrepencies on related investment vehicles like warrants and their underlying shares, why the new WS warrants could be proving our WT warrants and shares are being undervalued by the market currently, and thats why we saw a huge buy of WT warrants on friday. Is she just trolling or a multiple account user?& ...more  
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 1:54pm
Well here it is anyway Vicky. Judging by Liths reaction you were being insincere in your reply but maybe something gets lost in translation. Either way it's good information so here it is. On a side note I was also wondering if the WS warrants could be offered as half warrants in the prospectus but be issued as whole by the company? That could explain why you see that on canadianwarrants.com ...more  
Comment by LithLover on Dec 05, 2020 4:26pm
There is a reason Canaccord was buying the wt warrants.  Always follow the money. 15:53:39 T 0.07   50,000 33 Canaccord 1 Anonymous K 15:53:39 T 0.07   115,000 33 Canaccord 2 RBC K 15:53:39 T 0.07    ...more  
Comment by Str8Shuter on Dec 05, 2020 5:22pm
Playing devil's advocate...  There is probably a reason that RBC was selling the WT warrants on Friday too.  In fact, they sold more warrants than Canaccord bought.  Should we be following Canaccord's money or RBC's money??
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 5:36pm
For me its not so much about who is buying but how the warrants were bought and the volume, which can indicate price direction, so it was large volume bought up into the ask, rather than rbc selling down into the bid. If that makes any sense. Even further to that is which of the 3 vehicles, stock, WS, or WT that was chosen for such volumes, the stock and the WT had about 99% of all the trades ...more  
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 5:41pm
A good example was Velocity trading, and even cannacord themselves, both of them have been buying and sellling back and forth for weeks, maybe months even at this point, I've lost track. So most of the time when I see their big orders, I pay almost no attention because they'll just sell at some point anyway. But like I think Sag was saying, we've seen consistent buying from cannacord ...more  
Comment by Str8Shuter on Dec 05, 2020 8:01pm
Reasonable and thoughtful opinions.  Definitely more enjoyable than the basher initiated circus that rolls into town almost daily now.  I appreciate these insights and pretty much agree with everything you've laid out here in response to my last musing.  Cheers!   :-)
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 10:20pm
For sure man, I appreciate that and thank you as well. I hardly get time to actually talk about szls and investing anymore, and you gave me a brief window between the chaos this board can be to do that today so again thank you. Its really refreshing to use this board for what its meant lol Hopefully as time goes on, and szls proves itself, we get more of this and less of the other.
Comment by Spideysenses20 on Dec 05, 2020 11:52pm
Jonny stop talking to yourself with your multiple accounts you need some serious help man
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 06, 2020 4:43pm
Another topic I wanted to get into is shorting in relationship to warrants and, more specifically, newly issued warrants. Just like with our shares, the shorting can give the impression of warrant holders selling when in actuality it's simply someone trying to take advantage of an arbitrage opportunity, or attempting to push the market lower for profit like we often see with our friendly ...more  
Comment by vicky55 on Dec 06, 2020 8:06am
Merci beaucoup,Jonnyboy85
Comment by Str8Shuter on Dec 05, 2020 11:41am
That sounds like prudent advice, Jonny.  With respect, I'm confident that you will have a clearer understanding after calling your brokerage on Monday.  CanadianWarrants.com will hopefully include the new SZLS.WS warrants in their table of warrant values once they update it by Dec. 8 or so.  In that table, under the "Wts per Share" column, you will find a "1" ...more  
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 12:05pm
Ya honestly I haven't looked into it too much yet, I'm happy with the WT warrants and my share positions and wasn't planning on getting into the WS lol christmas has my wallet in the drawer for now. But I'm planning a call to the brokerage on monday just for fun, custodial isn't open on the weekends apparently. It'll be the first time I've seen a forced bundling of ...more  
Comment by brad129 on Dec 05, 2020 12:19pm
lithlover posted a good post on the warrant side of things, we've seen them in the quarterly reports being re-evaluated my question is they can re-evaluate them lower but if the share price rises do they re-evaluate them up?  
Comment by Jonnyboy85 on Dec 05, 2020 12:24pm
Those aren't the same warrants, those are warrants used to pay for services and aren't bought or sold on the open market. The warrant revaluation you see in our quarterlies is simply a caluclation of the outstanding warrants that haven't been exercised used to pay for services, specifically to LIND, and it's because as long as they aren't exercised the debt is technically not ...more  
Comment by Twocommas on Dec 05, 2020 1:34pm
Oh Johnny Johnny grow up it's almost Christmas Time to get them $$$$
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