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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Thermal Energy International Inc V.TMG

Alternate Symbol(s):  TMGEF

Thermal Energy International Inc. provides energy efficiency and emissions reduction solutions to the fortune 500 and other multinational companies. It operates primarily in North America and Europe but also sells its products and services through representative agents throughout the rest of the world. It markets, sells, engineers, fabricates, constructs, installs and supports two technology... see more

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Post by AlbertESG on Jul 18, 2024 7:46am

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It’s intellectually lazy to always blame downward price movement on shorters and manipulators. The stock sold off because the news release disappointed investors. That's all. With some basic analysis and some critical thinking, the following could be determined from the provided information:

1. Q4 revenue will be in the neighborhood of 8.1 million; this is flat to negative growth over last FY’s Q4. I think that investors were expecting more.


2. This puts FY 24 revenue at roughly 26.5 million. This equates to a FY over FY rev growth of 26% ish. We had 3% inflation, so strip this out and that gives 23% growth in real terms. Decent, but short of the "30% or higher" growth rate that Bill always alludes to. Arguably the 30 plus percent is a longer-term average, but given the unprecedented demand environment that Bill has been describing for the last few years, if they can’t hit the target now, when will they hit it?

3. Gem steam trap orders fell FY over FY. I don't think anyone was expecting this.

4. There was no mention of PDA's which is concerning since PDA's had become their favourite metric to tout. Did they complete a bunch of PDA's that didn't result in orders? The western countries are in the process of exchanging their left wing governments for right wing governments. A main platform piece of the right is to do away with carbon taxes/pricing etc. When you consider that carbon tax savings is a key component of the payback period calculation, we can't discount the possiblility that companies are holding out to see what happens on the political landscape.

Something else troubling is that we're in the middle of the "Great Rotation" from giant tech into small caps.The Russell 2000 was up 10% in less than a week which if you follow that index, is a massive move. Microcaps we're benefiting from that trend, and the tide was lifting TMG's boat as well. Why did they decide to put out the NR when they did? Are they still paying MBC?

All this being said, the market is forward looking, and most of this should now be priced in. One group of investors has been exchanged for another group, albeit at a lower price, and we're back to where we always seem to be, waiting for something positive to happen.

Comment by Mostlyserious on Jul 18, 2024 8:11am
Perhaps I would chime in with a clarification that TEi's paybacks don't include carbon tax...I think...but can play into clients' decisions as a (big) bonus nevertheless. I also agree that with the emphasis of not needing to land new clients, that there is enough business with the existing client base for who a few million bucks is rounding, I would expect to see higher growth than a ...more  
Comment by panapple42 on Jul 18, 2024 9:56am
The SP held support under a barrage of selling pressure.
Comment by Mostlyserious on Jul 18, 2024 10:19am
True.  I guess we are impatient to see the SP not being able to hold the line under a barrage of buying pressure.  ;-)
Comment by prone on Jul 18, 2024 10:18am
Your Pay-back clarification was a 1/2 truth implying less payback/value to the customer. Actually, what TEI says is --->  about payback, we are only looking at the energy cost savings.. . Any carbon credits accrue to the customer, and are a potential additional enhancement to their economics.  So Carbon Tax saving is also a customer goal, which is inline with GHG reduction ...more  
Comment by Mostlyserious on Jul 18, 2024 10:24am
My clarification is that when TEI provides (attractive) payback information in its NRs, the payback excludes the carbon credit/tax impacts.  If my understanding is correct, it is not an implication that minimizes the value but rather enhances it.  But, that is what the NRs state.  I am sure that each client will estimate this carbon impact.  I would be shocked if they didn' ...more  
Comment by prone on Jul 18, 2024 10:42am
The financially based payback is a direct value attributed to energy usage reduction = efficiency. TEI can mention the other 'benefits' related to less fossil fuel usage - but - they cannot 'monitorize' it  as a statement relevant to TEI. What the customer considers: is legislative requirements, and competitive expediency to produce 'more for less'...!
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