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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum TORC Oil & Gas Ltd. VREYD

TORC Oil & Gas Ltd engages in the exploration, development, and production of oil and natural gas reserves in the southeast Saskatchewan area. Crude oil constitutes an overwhelming majority of the production mix the company gathers from its assets. TORC gains access to its assets through government issued royalties and uses various techniques to identify hydrocarbon reservoirs. The company... see more

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TORC Oil & Gas Ltd. > Oil Price
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Post by Newguy23 on Jul 28, 2017 12:36pm

Oil Price

I think we are about to see a large uptick in prices.  Analysts who know what they are talking about suggest true market fundamentals are not being reflected in the oil price currently (due to traders, who may or may not know much about true oil usage/demand). Saudi's know this and now focussed more on headline relief (ie decreasing US inventories) which they will easily do.  US growth - up, Canada growth - up, Chiina growth - up, and all leading indicators pointing to a progressively stronger economy (Caterpillar results/outlook, Dr Copper, etc).  These things always overdo themselves as well (thanks to those that follow stricly momentum and charts as opposed to fundamentals - love them!!!).  So lets say a current "fair price" is 55 based on market fundamentals... once "headline risk" is reversed, traders reverse their bets and we will see a rapid rise - say to 65, after which it will probably fall back.  Much like the CAD - "We at XXX are very surprised at the speed of the increase in the CAD" - WHY??? This happens everytime in currencies and commodities because momentum investors reverse their bets on something that had "so many bets against it" and guess what... things overshoot.  When oil turns, you will have everyone and their dog saying "We are surprised at the speed of the reversal" - WTF, you serious... even experienced investors will say that.  2 things will cause this - headline changes, and surprise in demand increases due to economic growth.  The wildcard is not slight increases in OPEC production from Iraq for example.  It is because the Middle East is at best unreliable, and there is likely to be another large unexpected decrease in production from somewhere over there at some point in time.  When - who knows?  But if that happens in the crux of a clear rebalancing - look out, could see 75.  Just my opinion, but I think this is the way it will go down
Comment by pacer217 on Jul 28, 2017 4:32pm
Of course you could wholly or nearly right. BUT today on BNN market call, Josef Schachter was on, and he is convinced that oil will go BELOW $43.00 between Sept 15 and end of November; (when summer driving demand is over.) Could touch $40.00 and recommends not buying energy names til this price takes effect.
Comment by Newguy23 on Jul 28, 2017 7:57pm
Yes I watched that.  He figures there will be a big pullback below 40 followed by a "new bull run" in 2018.  Soooo, here is my problem with his thesis.  If there is a pullback happens below 40: 1. what causes it - shale goes through the roof? - The market is already predicting a straight line up to the right (over-optimistic on rate of growth IMO).  Iraq jumps ...more  
Comment by Newguy23 on Jul 28, 2017 8:00pm
Previous post just my opinion of course and that is what I would take away from what I saw of the show. Good luck to all
Comment by Newguy23 on Jul 28, 2017 8:07pm
My opinion, though I am not nearly as qualified as Joseph, would be that there is more likely aggressive upside from here at some point with minimal risk of a large pullback (no lower than 45 anyway IMO).  If I am wrong, I sit out a 3-4 month pullback as predicted by Joseph and wait for the inevitable upside.  The longer this pullback lasts (especially if there is a further down leg ...more  
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