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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd ZARFF

Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd is a producer of oil and gas. It is engaged in the exploration, development, and production of oil and natural gas in Canada and the United States. The company works on three phases of oil reservoir exploitation which include Primary recovery, Waterflood recovery, and Tertiary recovery. Its portfolio includes Alberta plains north, Alberta plains south and Williston basin... see more

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Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd > I'm Thinking This is a Yes Vote
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Post by PetroExplorer on Dec 26, 2018 3:00pm

I'm Thinking This is a Yes Vote

Zargon is in brutal shape, thanks to the oil price collapse.  Their oil quality is marginal.  Their North Dakota assets look interesting, but can't be compared to premium Bakken assets, in the core areas of that play.  (Need to stop this misinformation that they can sell North Dakota for $100K/bopd).   Maybe over time, they'll be able to get more value, from their North Dakota properties, if they can work to show there is more oil to recover.

It looks like there has been the typical pattern of management sucking as much as they can, for high salaries.  Of course when there was more oil production in the company, the salaries were justified.  But now, the company is a skeleton of its former self, so the salaries should be reduced, and the number of VP's, should also be reduced.

The question now is: should the Debenture Holders throw them a lifeline, to keep the company going?  I'm thinking the answer should be "yes", as much as I would like to keep the priority ranking of the Debentures.  There may be too much downside risk, by not doing the deal.

The one positive thing about Craig Hansen's ownership of Debentures, is having $900,000 worth, which was more than I thought he had, means he has some skin in the game, and will want to get more value out of the stock, that he exchanges the debentures for.  Of course he is entitled to a generous package, upon change of control, so he could make some money there, but if it all goes down, he would lose alot more on the debenture value.

Looking at the agreement, there is no default, unless the Debenture interest hasn't been paid for 30 days.  So they would still have time to stall a bit more, if it looks like they have a chance of making payment.

Further reading the agreements:

"If an Event of Default has occurred and is continuing, the Debenture Trustee may, in its discretion, and will, upon the request ofholders of not less than 25% in principal amount of the then -outstanding Debentures declare the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on all outstanding Debentures to be immediately due and payable. In certain cases, the holders of more than 50% of the principal amount of the Debentures then outstanding may, on behalf of the holders of all Debentures, waive any Event of Default and/or cancel any such declaration upon such terms and conditions as such holders shall prescribe."

So just because an interest payment isn't made, 30 days after the March 31st due date, the default could still be waived, if 50% of the Debenture Holders, vote to waive the default.

A company just doesn't go into Receivership, if the interest payment is missed.  It can be a long and painful process, and Debenture Holders had better be prepared to bankroll the legal fees required, to organize a Receivership proceeding.

Don't forget that Debenture Holders are also subordinate to every other possible creditor.  As long as the company is paying all other creditors, a judge may just say "give them more time to carry on, and sort out the interest that is owed."  The company will be in default, but they'll just say "take us to Court". 

A lot can happen in the next few months: it could either get better, or worse, and the recent collapse in world oil prices, isn't helping matters.  Ideally, I would like to get more stock, like say 95% of the total valuation.  But 93% is pretty close, so how much do we want to fight, with something that could drag on and on?

I haven't seen any signficant Debenture Holders posting that they are happy or unhappy with the proposed offer.  Craig Hansen says he is all for it.  I don't know who else has more Debentures than he does.

If there was some group that was more vocal, then there may yet be a chance to negotiate a bit more value.  But I just haven't heard any chatter like that, just a few people thinking they'll get a magic windfall of interest paid in stock, if they vote "no".  I just can't see that happening: companies are good at obfiscating things that they don't really want to do.

If the vote is approved, then the key to future success is ensuring that some large Debenture Holders now have a say in Board Matters.  The share distriubtion will substantially change, so there must be someone out there, who has some desire to have more say.

Given time, we might eventually see the stated value of 10 cents per share, as the company stabilizes, assuming of course that oil prices can increase.  So ultimately, I think the Debentures can recover close to their face value, if this deal goes through.

Giiving up a little, to stabilize a dying patient, might be better than having to deal with a corpse.

Comment by rad10 on Dec 27, 2018 1:51pm
Very considered opinion - PE. and a good read. The problem is - allowing the debt for equity conversion does not generate more leeway or flexibility for the company than agreeing to PIK for the March interest.  The difference is that the conversion is considerably more drastic than PIK.  Maintaining seniority and delaying what may be an inevitable conversion will yield a higher recovery ...more  
Comment by PetroExplorer on Dec 27, 2018 9:43pm
I don't know rad, we'll have to see if some other large Debenture Holders step up, with an opinion. But yes, the CEO is well invested in the debentures.  From what I can see in their filings, he must have bought more in 2016.  I recall at the time of the dutch auction, he stated that he wasn't going to sell any debentures, in the dutch auction.  So he does have a vested ...more  
Comment by pablo87 on Dec 28, 2018 10:27am
They could easily add the interest to the principal, saves the same cash just that they have to get approval from debenture holders for any potential transactions involving conversion obviously so we get to actually vote for something. I believe of the vote is NO they will try again at a lower share price. At end of day it's all about debt. If I'm the banks I'm trying to reduce ...more  
Comment by Bonecreek2 on Dec 28, 2018 11:10am
They will convert the debentures to shares & then go into receivership! 
Comment by PetroExplorer on Dec 28, 2018 11:22am
Pablo, at least they aren't trying something really stupid, like say offer the Debenture Holders 14 cents on the dollar, in some kind of transaction.  We've seen that game, before. Zargon has no bank debt, and just the one small loan-shark loan, for which the US assets where pledged as collateral.  By not having a bank line, they are in better shape than many companies, out ...more  
Comment by pablo87 on Dec 28, 2018 1:28pm
I was thinking Perpetual Energy would be a fit so was that a Freudian slip Ptro? Maybe I should change my name to pabloexplorer.
Comment by PetroExplorer on Dec 29, 2018 10:57pm
Pablo, I was thinking of our Twin Butte debacle, or the attempted theft of the value from Debenture Holders, and the handoff to the National Bank. But you raise a good point on Perpetual Energy: there were some shenanigans that went on there, too.  The problem there was the subsequent rights offering, that diluted the Debenture Holder's shares, that they received.  I'd have to ...more  
Comment by funfacts2018 on Dec 28, 2018 1:27pm
Interesting viewpoint, and at least recognizing reality: a marginal company with marginal assets, punished by current (and recent past) oil prices. However I'm at a loss to translate that to throwing them a lifeline, or trying to stabilize a dying patient (voting "Yes"). Looks more like being asked to jump from the frying pan into the "safety" of the fire ... First there& ...more  
Comment by PetroExplorer on Dec 29, 2018 11:08pm
Funfacts, I have to hope that Craig Hansen now wants to salvage what little he has left, from his investments in Zargon.  He's only been running the show, for around 24 years, so maybe it is time to sail off into the sunset?  How much longer does he want to collect a salary? The current value of the company, is whatever it is trading on the market for.  So I don't think it ...more  
Comment by funfacts2018 on Dec 31, 2018 1:16pm
Petro, There are no guarantees for sure, but I am trying to be consistent: If the shares have a real value, regardless of whether that's 2 cents or 10 cents, then if the Trustee was paid interest in March in shares, they should sell and I receive the interest payment.  If the shares go "no trade" on that transaction, that effectively says there is no market for the shares at ...more  
Comment by pablo87 on Dec 31, 2018 3:35pm
The proposal assumes share price appreciation post conversion when the track record is share price depreciation. A rational debentureholder should vote NO and hope for a quick sale and recover 80 cents (plan on getting 60). IMO, they should have gone to Debbie holders with a deal in hand.
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