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Suncor Energy Inc. > FP TAKE On Capital Gains CHANGES For 2024
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Post by ztransforms173 on Apr 16, 2024 6:06pm

FP TAKE On Capital Gains CHANGES For 2024

Increase in the inclusion rate

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Under the current tax rules, if you dispose of capital property (other than your principal residence) for a profit, only 50 per cent of the capital gain is included in taxable income. The budget proposed to increase the capital gains inclusion rate to two-thirds (66.67 per cent) for corporations and trusts, and to two-thirds on the portion of capital gains realized for the year on or after June 25, 2024, that exceeds $250,000 for individuals.

The $250,000 threshold will apply to capital gains realized by an individual, net of any capital losses either in the current year or carried forward from prior years. Employees who exercise employee stock options and who can currently claim a 50 per cent deduction will now only be entitled to a one-third deduction of the taxable benefit to reflect the new capital gains inclusion rate. They will still, however, be entitled to a 50 per cent deduction of the taxable employment benefit, up to a combined limit of $250,000 for both employee stock options and capital gains annually.

Capital losses carried forward from prior years will continue to be deductible against taxable capital gains in the current year by adjusting their value to reflect the inclusion rate of the capital gains being offset. This effectively means that a capital loss realized at the current 50 per cent allowable rate will be fully available to offset an equivalent capital gain realized after the rate change.

Giving taxpayers 10 weeks’ notice before the new two-thirds inclusion rate kicks in is helpful in terms of tax planning, but it will mean a complex tax reporting system for 2024 since two different inclusion rates will apply.

As a result, the government announced that transitional rules will be introduced that will require taxpayers to separately identify capital gains and losses realized before the June 25, 2024, effective date (period 1), and those realized on or after that date (period 2).

Individuals will therefore be subject to the higher two-thirds inclusion rate on their realized gains arising in period 2 that exceed the $250,000 threshold, except to the extent that those net gains are offset by a net loss incurred in period 1 (or some prior period loss carryforward).

The annual $250,000 threshold for individuals only applies to net gains realized in period 2 and isn’t prorated for 2024.

Considering that capital gains realized from June 25, 2024, onwards in a corporation will be taxable at a two-thirds rate whereas individuals can benefit from a 50 per cent inclusion rate on the first $250,000 of annual gains, some investors may need to consider whether holding investments with the potential for capital gains in a corporation still makes sense.

For everyone else, especially investors with significant accrued capital gains in a non-registered portfolio, it means you’ll need to make some big decisions on whether to crystallize your gains (assuming they’re more than $250,000) at a 50 per cent inclusion rate prior to June 25, or continue to hold onto those winners and face a 66.67 per cent inclusion rate when you ultimately do sell. It may also mean intentionally realizing $250,000 of capital gains annually to take advantage of the lower 50 per cent inclusion rate going forward.

Business owners contemplating a sale, vacation-home owners and investors who own income properties need to consider the broader implications of this pending inclusion rate increase on their longer-term disposition planning.
 

https://financialpost.com/personal-finance/taxes/capital-gains-tax-amt-rules-federal-budget-2024

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Comment by Torontojay on Apr 16, 2024 8:12pm
It's a sad day to be Canadian.  Why don't they lower the deficit by reducing unnecessary government spending? They should try that first.  Tax the wealthy and continue to spend spend spend.
Comment by meritmat on Apr 16, 2024 9:03pm
Got to buy votes and honestly any government that does not gets voted out 
Comment by mrbb on Apr 16, 2024 11:29pm
Trudy knows he's toast come next election, why not go out with a bang? All the new billions in spending, IMO, is an attempt to retain what minor liberal seats remain so liberal representation doesn't get wiped off the map. That's how contempt Trudy has on Canadian's wallet, billions to spend in hope save a few liberal friend's career.   
Comment by Marty47 on Apr 17, 2024 8:52am
Yea sir give you a thumbs up , can't wait next elections , just thin trudope is on death row , as I said he spend own $$$ to helps few cockroaches , now he screw everyone he try to con the gen z and millennials , hope they smoke enough weeds so they stay home watching Netflix .... what make me sad is that there is still people believe in the liberals , power of brainwashing is strong lol 
Comment by mrbb on Apr 29, 2024 4:46pm
the new capital gain tax for the rich is really an inheritance tax for the middle class.   
Comment by ztransforms173 on Apr 29, 2024 6:51pm
- you DO NOT HAVE ANY CAPITAL GAINS on PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE - ONLY REVENUE PROPERTIES TRIGGER CAPITAL GAINS in the HOUSING WHERE you are a RESIDENT - the VAST MAJORITY of the "MIDDLE CLASS" do NOT have RENTAL INCOME PROPERTIES - STILL, I AGREE that it is a TERRIBLE IDEA to INCREASE the 50% INCLUSION RATE on CAPITAL GAINS to 2/3 over a $ 250,000 per year z173
Comment by mrbb on Apr 30, 2024 12:21am
the liberal gov't has comtemplated to tax capital gain from selling principal residence. There is a loophole where some people exploits the tax free status to flip principal residence. It's just matter of time when gov't is desperate enough for money and this is a sure way to grab more money and close the loophole.  
Comment by Experienced on Apr 30, 2024 9:20am
Something has to give eventually since Government can't keep running huge deficits forever.  Most politicans are reluctant to take anything away since they will just lose votes so the next best thing is taxation and especially using the mantra that "the rich need to pay their fair share".  For now they seem to be able to get away with it since most people can't do the ...more  
Comment by Marty47 on Apr 30, 2024 10:48am
Y'a well all this capital gain is just because the Trudy's can manage our $$$ waste money with can app , tmx way too expensive , and once they overspend well they go after what they call "rich" lmao again all brain wash snake oil , robbing the hard worker to give to the poor because Junkmeat NDP with his 2 Rolexes and 2000$ suits want tax the more wealthy to give to the poor .... ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Apr 30, 2024 1:45pm
most expensive MP, jackmeat Jagmeet Singh is Canada's most expensive MP, Poilievre is the cheapest | National Post
Comment by mrbb on Apr 30, 2024 1:39pm
the truly rich is immune to taxation as their wealth is squirreled away in trust, and/or far away bank vault like in cayman island, cyprus, turks and caico island, etc, List of the world's most notorious tax havens (worlddata.info) CRA signs secret settlement with wealthy KPMG clients involved in offshore tax scheme | CBC News
Comment by Experienced on Apr 30, 2024 1:54pm
'Squirrelling away money in a trust fund' doesn't avoid taxation.  You can save taxes if you set it up properly with the right beneficiaries which are in tax low brackets. https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/t4013/t3-trust-guide.html Off shore accounts in tax havens?...Yeah most of the time. The other way is to buy works of art and ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Apr 30, 2024 3:09pm
only in private sale. If you want the best price, most high end collectibles get sold at public auction like sotheby and christie auctions which gov't would know about it.
Comment by Experienced on Apr 30, 2024 7:02pm
mrbb...a lot of collectibles are not sold at auctions but through private sale or by collectors buying what's called a lot which is a big box of collectibles usually in an estate sale.  Many antique stores buy things that way.  As an example, I know of someone who collected Moorcraft pieces all his life buying this and that in country stores where people didn't what they had ...more  
Comment by meritmat on Apr 30, 2024 10:02pm
Heritage auctions for the win
Comment by bttmfischer on Apr 30, 2024 10:34am
"" ONLY REVENUE PROPERTIES TRIGGER CAPITAL GAINS"  THIS STAEMENT IS INCORRECT. I sold my summer cottage,which NEVER PRODUCED A DIME OF INCOME,  YET  IT STILL WAS SUBJET TO CAPITAL GAINS TAX.
Comment by ztransforms173 on Apr 30, 2024 11:05am
  bttmfischer - (4/30/2024 10:34:18 AM)   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:FP TAKE On Capital Gains CHANGES For 2024   "" ONLY REVENUE PROPERTIES TRIGGER CAPITAL GAINS"  THIS STAEMENT IS INCORRECT. I sold my summer cottage,which NEVER PRODUCED A DIME OF INCOME,  YET  IT STILL WAS SUBJET TO CAPITAL GAINS TAX. *** - ARE YOU a CLOWN or ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Apr 30, 2024 1:41pm
bt...what you say is absolutely correct.  Only your principal residence is exempty from capital gains tax. That said, your point raises an interesting question about the new tax regime and that is the question of enforcement.  The higher tax may encourage more people not to report the sale of their vacation properties or to provide numbers lower than what actually happened.  It ...more  
Comment by Marty47 on Apr 30, 2024 2:42pm
The only way you can do that is increase your renovations or if you got a big pocket buyer set a number on paper and balance in cash .... but again an accountant told me the government look at the fair value so if you sell your kid 300k under market Justin want you to pay what the house would sell around the area for the same price , don't think the Trudy's won't give a loophole to ...more