RE:Stupid TradingWell observed citadel. Even though I ran out of money to buy more I watched trading very closely and it is obvious that you are right. Also, with this kind of manipulation I would never buy on margin. What is not clear is who does it. The banks who do the trading for us ( and for themselves) must now more about it. I'm sure of that. On the positive side; the volume remains low. That of course could change but for the moment I'm satisfied that investors are no longer scared out of their brains. The trading institutions of course are well aware how many people are on margin and they therefore don't have to wait until people panic but by pushing the value down they force people to cover their margin by selling and that in turn creates more margin-calls. That could be one reason why the market shows irrational patterns. There are many more possible explanations but it would not help us much to talk about it. In the past I had the impression that shorts also used this forum to analize public opinions and adjust their actions accordingly. This at least seems no longer to be an important factor. Day- traders are still active but I don't think that they are the ones that are selling short right now if anybody still does that. I'm sure you will inform us of that.