Post by
RagingBull3 on Mar 29, 2020 6:32pm
This is not a long term play
Just pull up a long term chart, 20yrs, all you see is down, down, down, and way way down.
Here's a simple example to explain why:
Pretend oil is $10 and an 2x ETF share is $10 also
If oil goes to $9 and then back to $10. That's -10% and then +11.11%.
So 2x ETF goes -20% and then +22.22%....... Now do the math on ETF share price
ETF goes to $8 and then to $9.78 !!!! NOT BACK TO $10.
You LOSE everytime it goes down and up. Oil stayed the same at $10 but your ETF just went to $9.78.
That's why the long term chart looks the way it is.
This is common knowledge now, but when these first came out, they didn't explain this clearly. They used the words Cantango, Backwardation, futures.... to confuse people and keep people in the dark about this simple fact.
Here's the math $10 * 0.20 = $2 so minus $2 so ETF goes to $8
$8 * 0.2222= $1.7777 so plus $1.78 so ETF goes to $9.78
Comment by
RagingBull3 on Apr 22, 2020 3:46pm
Posted this back in March, worth repeating.
Comment by
RagingBull3 on Apr 22, 2020 3:53pm
But as I understand, HOU temporay not 2x anymore. So the "Math" problem is not there any more..... but Contango/Backwardation is I think. Anyways, you play the futures, be prepared to get squeezed.
Comment by
marvelmaker on Apr 22, 2020 4:01pm
I thought too I could hold HOU long terme and be a winner. They are only meant for trading and exiting daily
Comment by
smashblox on Apr 22, 2020 4:03pm
Finally some body got it. as long it is going up and down .. you will always lose money... if it goes only straight line up then you make the money. so buy when sure that it is going up and exit before it goes down .. it should be very short play.
Comment by
timetolearn on Apr 22, 2020 4:04pm
"Short term purpose only" is exactly what Horizon stated clearly in the prospectus. Any leverage product (2x, 3x etc) that reference a futures contract (subject to expiry and roll risk) is intended for short term hedging and "speculation", not for investment. Its meant for the pros.