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Ivanhoe Mines Ltd T.IVN

Alternate Symbol(s):  IVPAF

Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. is a Canada-based mining, development, and exploration company. The Company is focused on the mining, development and exploration of minerals and precious metals from its property interests located primarily in Africa. Its projects include The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex, The Kipushi Project, The Platreef Project., and The Western Foreland Exploration Project. The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex project stratiform copper deposit with adjacent prospective exploration areas within the Central African Copperbelt, approximately 25 kilometers (km) west of the town of Kolwezi and about 270 km west of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The Kipushi mine is adjacent to the town of Kipushi in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) approximately 30 km southwest of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The 21 licenses in the Western Foreland cover a combined area of 1,808 square kilometers to the north, south and west of the Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex.


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Post by GEEEon Jan 05, 2014 5:30am
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Robert Friedlans's crumbling Ivanhoe empire Part 3

Robert Friedlans's crumbling Ivanhoe empire Part 3
Robert Friedlans's  crumbling  Ivanhoe   empire  Part 3

Eulogy  for  a billionaire no more
The  truth  vs. the  legend  
and  the   teens  of  $$ billion   loses  by  the investors  who
kept believing  in his   " golden-turned- toxic - touch "
for  few  years  too long.

======================
   A ...CAUTIONARY  NOTES  
RF  or  RMF  = Robert  Martin Friedland
This  is  just  crude  introduction , scraching  just the  top of  the iceberg
Numbers  are  aporoximate  and  subject  to future  corrections /details.
To reduce  the  number  of the  many  assumptions and to paint detailed  story
one  needs  months of  investigative  journalism and  army of  foresenic  accountants
Wich  is  beyound  scope  of   this  - our  opinion only -  introduction.
We claim safe  harbour and claim the  right  to  use   as  colorful
exxuberant  phrases  as   RFM .
Some    quoted  facts  and  statements  are  taken at  face  value
Authors  of  those publications  ( as  well as  we )  could  have  gotten  them
 in various  degrees on rigth- wrong  scale .
Most  of  our text is  just  copy and paste  of  easy  avaliable  
   stuff on the  Internet.
.Our  role is just  to organise it, connect the  dots
discover  the bigger picture, and draw the conclusions.
 With an  attempt  to look at the  RF  story beyond   smoke  and mirror ,
 BS, hype ,and  " legend".
At  any  given time  we  may  be  short  or  long  or  both   the  various  RF  companies .

============================

B  . THE  POSITIVE  INPACT OF   RF
Yes , he  discovered ,   2 big  deposits   , created  plenty of  jobs  over  the  years  
Many OTHER  THAN INVESTORS  people  (incl.  army of  stock  promoters )
 cos .  and  countries benefited  from his  activity.

EXCEPT  for    most of  THE INVESTORS  WHO  FINANCED  ALL  ABOVE
and  followed  him blindly  all the  way  to  2014

MADE   HIMSELF    $  500-400 m  SINCE  THE  LEGEND  START  IN 1996  TILL  Jan,2014  
As  calculated  here

https://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22058188

https://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.ivn/ivanhoe-mines-limited?postid=22055226

BUT HE  WOULD  MADE  FOR  HIMSELF   $  6B    SINCE  1996  IF  HE  
WOULD  DO  NOTHING  -  JUST  PUT THE  $  400-500M  HE  HAD  IN 1996  
AND BOUGHT   SP-500 INDEX  instead.

HIS  18 Y OF  HUSTLING  CREATED  FOR  HIM  $  500M MORE BY JAN 2014
. LAZY AND  EASY INVESTING IN  SPX  WOULD  CREATE  FOR  HIM $ 5.5 B MORE
loooooooool
(SPX   =10O0%  1996- 2014   despite  2  terrible  crashes  in between )

Succesful  ?... FOR  HIMSELF  ( investors  in him  is  totally  different story )
YES-....    50%  return   in 17  Y  (  4%  aver  Y ) is  not  too impressive  
but  $ 500m  more    is   ( though it barely covers  the  inflation on $  500m  input )
Loss     of  easy   opportunity  elswhere   of  $ 5.5 b  
 without  hustling , controversies ,walking on edge  ,risking losing it all
...looks  like  not  too  smart   choice   both  for  him  and  
  ESPECIALLY  FOR  INVESTORS  FOLLOWING HIM for too long.

 After  all,   cap of  all mining   cos  in world    is less than cap of   AAPL ,MSFT  etc
The  natural limit  to make  money in mining (  1/100-  1/200 of  stock market or  economy )
  is   UN-PENETRABLE    lead  ceiling
 .( 55% of  world's  mining billionaires  do not  surpass $  5  b
 and  mining billionaires    are  JUST  5% of  ALL BILLIONAIRES  )

B.  COMPARE   ROBERT FRIEDLAND  TO MINING BILLIONAIRES ONLY

As fame  of  discovering  2  big deposit  in  20  years  time   goes.
Well, in  20  years   there  were  tens if not hundreds  discoveries
  of  big  deposits   by  people  who's  names  you dont'   know.

In 20 Y  world  replaced   and  expanded  WHOLE  WORLD's MINERAL  RESERVES
 AT LEAST  2 -3   TIMES OVER
( assuming  aver  20 Y LOM=  depletion  and  demand  growth in 20 Y )

So, his  contribution , as opposed  to the  "legend  " is pretty  tiny .
PRETTY   TINY  

TENS  OR HINDREDS OF  BOB FRIEDLANS   who  didn't spent tens of  $ millions
( of  your  money  lol  )  to  promote themselves  and  build  a "legend  "

There is  40-50 minning  billionaires  =
= ALL (95%)OF THEM  richer than  RF .
.He  is  on the  very  botom  of  mining  billionaires  list  
and  about  to  dissapear  from it .

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C.   GOOD NEWS   RF IS NOT  ALONE  - 95% of  mining billionaires  go  down

  As  much  as  1/3  of  them  is on their  way  to   join RF  and  be  erased  from the  list   
Just  few  examples

1. Eike Batista - a  RF   co-investor  in  pre  IPO   IVN  
geeeeesus

Have  you read  the hired  IVN promoters  sugesting
 that if  investing in IVN  is  good  for EIKE
 the  world's  richest  mining billionaire
...it must be  good  for  you ?  
looooool
 
His  company’s implosion led to his ejection this year from the Forbes’
billionaires list.
 He was once Brazil’s richest man with a fortune of more than $30bn

THE MOST  SPECTACULAR  CRASH OF MINING   FORTUNES  
Entire  $ 30 b  paper  wealth ( once world's  7  richest)  erased   
 geeeeeesus

  EVEN MORE NOTORIOUS ,FLAMOYAND  PRINCLING THAN  RF

Born into mining as son of a CEO of iron giant Vale
Eike led the playboy lifestyle, dropping out of engineering school, marrying a nude model   ect.
Ever the consummate salesman, Batista famously sold Minas Rio to Anglo-American in 2008,
 pocketing $5.5bn and getting rid of what has become
 Anglo’s biggest asset write-off on record.- $  4 b
( Hallo INCO , HALLO RIO )

Na...  that's   a legend  and  Midas  touch ..  to sgueeze  the pig
  for  $  4b over   profitability   price  of  $ 1.5 b  
geeeeesus  

 TODAY'S  equivalent of   18-Y OLD   RF Voices  Bay   " legend  "

Cindy Carroll  Anglo  CEO  said , she  is  proud of Minas-Rio..money  well spend
Next  thing...  Anglo  ( bound  to dress  it's wounds for  years  to come  )
spent  her   as  CEO   .loool

His  OGX was the hottest public offering in the Americas
His fortune topped out at a spectacular $32.8bn in April last year\
 after his OGX struck oil (turns out not very much..  investors  suing
him for   falsyfying  the drill results   )
Brazil’s SEC, known as CVM, is looking into violations of disclosure rules.

 Batista had estimated as much as 10 billion barrels of oil equivalent
  OGX ended up tapping dry wells,   GEEEESUS  
Caught in a vicious downward spiral now , that the wells have run dry.
 and his silver tongue  is worth nothing now

  RF'S  SILVER TONGUE  IS   WORTH  ABOUT  THE  SAME  NOW  

OGX  cut  by 100   $  24  TO  24  C  =bankrupt AND  DELISTED=ZERO
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=OGXP3.SA&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=
Has 9 days  to pay  its share of development costs,or  will lose  the
 oil licence stake.The only  thing worth something left  from his  empire
Filed Latin America's largest-ever bankruptcy protection petition on Oct. 30,

After  restructuring ,his  stake in OGX  will be  worth  $  35 m ,if  lucky.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

When Brazilian oil firm OGX tried to tap bond markets for $2 billion
 in 2011, investors were ready to hand it $5.5 billion.
Two years on, OGX is in default and the debt trades at
 less than 10 cents of its original face value.
The 8.5 percent coupon paid by OGX persuaded buyers
 to overlook the fact it was yet to generate any revenues ..
 HALLO IVN
  Sister company OSX, which is sitting on $2.4 billion in debt,
has thin cash balances and is reportedly the next domino to fall.
HALLO IVN
His Brazilian blowout cost investors $3.6 billion, with California
 based PIMCO and  BlackRock being the biggest foreign holders of OGX debt.
Total debt worth 11.2 billion reais, or about $5.11 billion
.

WELL. RIO AND  RF  ARE  NOT  AS  STUPID  ... THEY INVENTED  RIGTS  OFFERING
 TO  DUMP  TRQ  $2.4 B  DEBT  ON  SUCKERS  LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
geeeeeesus   

Eike,in RF  style ,  said,  he  will be  the  richest  man in world
leaving Warren Buffett in the dust.
Now  praying  he  will not  end  up in jail .

His   OVERLEVERAGED   WITH NO REAL EQUITY   LEFT, PYRAMID
 croumbled like  house of  cards.
  Looks like  Brazil  Madoff's  equivalent or  BrE-X  salting of  drill cores.
 His five public firms run out of capex funds and creditors start making collateral calls.

IVN   DID  NOT  RUN OUT  OF  CAPEX  FUNDS   ( THAT LITTLE  MULTI-BILLION  
 NUANCE  IS  5-10Y  FROM NOW  )
IVN JUST  RUN OUT OF  WORKING CAPITAL  
 AND WILL RUN OUT AGAIN IN FEW MONTHS  

Fire  sales  of  assets =  sold off most of his significant interests in the
other listed companies in his empire, TO  SAVE  HIS  CRWN JEVEL  OGX  
IN WHICH  HE  WILL  RETAIN $  35M  ..IF  AT AL  ....LOOOOL

 SOLD OFF -INCLUDING HIS  STAKE IN IVN  

=========================

#9  Vladimir Lisin  $  14b minus  $2 b  again = $12b
 owns Russia's third largest iron ore mine ,his Novolipetsk Steel
has  wiped out $10 billion of Lisin’s wealth since 2011   

# 33    Gautam Adani    $3bn.by now likely  $  1.5 b
  he oversees the $7bn Adani Enterprises’s coal mines in Australia and Indonesia
   Powerless to stop the slide in his fortune
Losing two-thirds of his wealth in two years..same  as  RF.

#.37   Vladimir Kim   $ 2-3bn  Kazakhmys shares have been decimated
 over the last year after a writedown of $2bn in the value of its 26% stake in fellow Kazahk miner ENRC.

#  45Igor Zyuzin   $1-2bn
two years ago Zyuzin was still worth $9bn, but ..  same-o  same-o  story

NO #  Kentucky coal baron Joseph Craft III fell out of the rich list this year.

#1  FCX the  biggest CU  Au  miner   fore-seeing the  winds  of  history
moved   into  oil .
On the other hand ,RF  move  into oil  is  COMPLETE  DISASTER

#  44   Low Tuck Kwong  $1-2bn  Friedlands  buddy in Singapore
   Indonesia coal  Bayan Resources   cut  like  RF   by  3  
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BYAN.JK&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

==============

C.  WHAT  ABOUT THE  HUMAN FACE  OF  BILLIONAIRES    VS  BOB'S  FACE

(  have  no  idea   why Bob's  face  evokes in my mind  VP    Cheny  face   )

This Holiday Season, Seven Billionaires Join Expanding Giving Pledge Club

https://givingpledge.org/

In its fourth year, the Giving Pledge now has 122 signatories
 (including three deceased, Ted Forstmann, Peter Lewis and George Mitchell)
, all of whom have committed at least half of their wealth to charitable
organizations of their choice.
 That includes people from 12 countries including its first ever from Indonesia.

Besides Bill Gates,  eBay founder Pierre Omidyar , Michael Bloomberg
Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus,  Warren Buffet ,
The co-founder of airport stores Duty-Free Shoppers  Chuck Feeney
Media mogul Ted Turner, Hedge fund manager John Arnold,
Director and producer George Lucas, Texas oil and gas magnate
 T. Boone Pickens,  Russia’s Yuri Milner  ,Silicon Valley investor
Beth and Seth Klarman (Massachusetts, hedge fund manager)
, Liz and Eric Lefkofsky (Illinois, Groupon’s CEO
Richard Edwin and Nancy Peery Marriott  HOTELS (Maryland)
 there is  few  mining  billionaires .

1. #  3  Australian Iron magnate Gina Rinehart  $17bn-$18bn
  3-rd  place on 2013  mining billionaires   list
By now  her  wealth  shrank   3.4  B =  15.5 B NOW   

2. # 8  Vladimir Potanin   $14bn  shrinking rapidly
owns 28% of Norilsk Nickel, top nickel and palladium miner, Took it on upon himself
to finance the $2.2bn ski-resort for Russia’s hosting of the 2014 Sochi Olympics

3.  #  25  Andrew Forrest $5-6bn Fortescue Metals (FMG)= iron ore
 FMG  prospects  not good  -debt laden and  prices  down.

4, #  32   Patrice Motsepe    $3bn    empowered himself and workers
African Rainbow Minerals  Pioneered concept of profit-sharing
with ordinary miner workers at ARM which has interests in platinum,
 nickel, chrome, iron ore, manganese, coal, copper and gold
 and a partnership with Harmony Gold which he chairs
pledge to give away half his fortune to charity

5.  #  28    Victor Rashnikov   $4bn   
 down 80% since 2011 but could go lower still.
 He has been ploughing back the money building hospitals,
a cathedral and ski resorts and staging the country’s biggest fireworks show
 in Magnitogorsk every July 18,
.
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