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Ivanhoe Mines Ltd T.IVN

Alternate Symbol(s):  IVPAF

Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. is a Canada-based mining, development, and exploration company. The Company is focused on the mining, development and exploration of minerals and precious metals from its property interests located primarily in Africa. Its projects include The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex, The Kipushi Project, The Platreef Project., and The Western Foreland Exploration Project. The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex project stratiform copper deposit with adjacent prospective exploration areas within the Central African Copperbelt, approximately 25 kilometers (km) west of the town of Kolwezi and about 270 km west of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The Kipushi mine is adjacent to the town of Kipushi in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) approximately 30 km southwest of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The 21 licenses in the Western Foreland cover a combined area of 1,808 square kilometers to the north, south and west of the Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex.


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Post by GEEEon Feb 07, 2014 4:56am
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Post# 22182676

Forget high rates of return- SA mining minister

Forget high rates of return- SA mining minister
Forget high rates of return- SA  mining minister

  A.   SA  mining minister is traditionally the most important of the VIPs
at the annual Mining Indaba. Whatever Ms Shabangu  says   is closely watched
 by foreign and local investors in mining  as they seek to discern
the government’s attitude to the industry and to investment.
Of  course    she tried to reassure the investment community
 that South Africa is an attractive mining destination,   blah  blahh

But the more revealing words  came in her welcome address
 to a ministerial symposium the previous day, when Ms Shabangu told
 investors, in effect, that they

 "should not come here if they wanted to exploit us to earn high rates of return".

AMEN  .. geeeesus    I REST  MY IVN  CASE  IN  SA  

This is most disturbing,
She was referring to   whole  Africa.
"...  responsible investment on the continent, not based on exploitative principles
 centred solely on expectations for unrealistic rates of returns that are disguised
 on the principle of high risk-high return."

SO,HIGH  RISK   AND    "MIDGET "    ROI    
(like most  platinum mines  in last couple  of  years   )
lool
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B.   The  body    charged   with   determining   your  ROI   is  called  
  MIDGET   (mining industry growth and development task team)
loooool        

 C . The theme of the 2014 Alternative Mining Indaba  is
“Our Resources.(=NOT YOURS)
 Our Future. (+ NOT YOURS )
 Putting Local People First.”   (=NOT  YOU)

D.  Outlook gloomy for SA's mining sector on eve of Indaba
Parliament is considering changes to the act that will enable mineral
resources minister Susan Shabangu to control the exports of certain minerals.
 and  increase ministerial discretion over how the industry operates
Among the mining industry’s key concerns are those proposed amendments
 that would allow the minister to declare certain minerals "strategic".
This could potentially limit their export and could lead to
 them being sold at below-market prices to local users.
 No transparent method or formula for this has been laid out in the bill.
 The  theme  about   gov   owning / controlling  "strategic minerals"
( like  platinum for  SA   ) is  rising in  countries  all over   the  world
"It’s a form of resource nationalism," Mr Leon said.
===============

E.  On top of ,the extremely "investment unfriendly" labour environment
, there  are  also many  questions  about   the upcoming national elections
and the implications for the mining sector of all the various political permutations
that could occur – and, particularly, whether or not the
dreaded spectre that is nationalization  will be resurrected.
. If ANC  can elect a person as president who has always appeared unable
to constrain his appetites for the goodies that powerful political office can bring,
 and if the state security agencies, the criminal justice system and the oversight
 mechanism of the Constitution seem unable to bring him to account
 because the ruling party and his Cabinet are protecting him,
THEN THERE  IS   RISK  EVERYWHERE   .

Financial markets cope with risk by pricing it adequately
. When the risk cannot be estimated it has to be given
THE  HIGHEST POSSIBLE   PREMIUM   
.
 Can investors rely on consistency and protection of the law,
 the Constitution and the criminal justice system when  
in South African equities, bonds, currency and the financial instruments ?
We're  can  not    take  anymore uncertainty," he said.

Magnify   that   question  by  thousand   for   DRC  and Mongolia

======================

E.  Plunging  ANC   support  ,    economic   crisis  , corrupt ( not only)  president
 currency  devaluation.  rising   rapidly interest  rates,  rising  inequties
  and    labor  unrest   (  massive   strikes  in  gold  mining   are  next )
  is  pushing  panicked   gov  into populist measures,  wealth redistribution  
higher  taxes    etc  (There is also a review of South Africa's tax system)

 -= MIDGET   RETURNS   INDEED  

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F.   Even  Friedland,  instead  of   "golden   city "  ," platinum valley "
"biggest  ( prodits  for   us  )    in  world"      said  on Indaba :

"However bleak some people think the outlook (for platinum) may look
 in the short term, the growth prospects for the medium and long term
 remain extremely positive,"  
YEAH   ..THE  FUEL CELLS  ....LIKE  THIS  ONE     EH ?
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BLDP&t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=
( isn't  18   y  of    developing   both  properties  long  term  enough?)

Mr Friedland said it was clear the labour turmoil was disruptive
 to industry and "quite unnerving" to many international investors.

(   INSTEAD OF "TREASURE  ISLAND "  A HORROR  MOVIE  " in theatre  near  you "  lol..

 "it is common cause that the organised labour movement in South Africa
has historically been a political force so the current rumblings should come as no surprise".
"workers labouring in the deep underground mines certainly deserve better,
 it is equally important for workers and their leaders to understand that mining
 companies must make a profit or investors will not inject the billions
of dollars needed to find and build profitable mines"
"So, workers and union leaders need to carefully consider the impact
 and consequences of their actions. What is required is responsible
 leadership all around," he said.

 BOB  PRETTY   SUBDUED  , DIPLOMATIC,  KISSING THE  BOTTOMS  OF  ORDINARY PEOPLE   ?
OF  ALL PEOPLE  BOB ??....GEEEESUS   ...

... "the migrant labour system is extremely problematic and the solutions are not easy
. What we must be clear about is that the cycle of poverty from to one generation
 to another is clearly unsustainable.  "

WAIT   A MINUTE  ,... I  SUPPOSED  TO  ATTEND  INVESTOR   CONFERENCE
.....  ENDED UP  IN   A  UNION MEETING  INSTEAD        GEEEUS  

RF  :"The South African government has shown its resolve to ensure that
the  rule of law prevails, particularly from a policing point of view,
and that all sides respect the labour laws"

THERE  YOU  GO  ..  THE   VERY  SAME  DAY   BOB  SPOKE  
POLICE on Tuesday used stun grenades and rubber bullets
to disperse about 3,000 "violent" striking miners in the  platinum belt.

"There must be a meeting of minds on the key issues affecting the mining industry."

THERE  IS   .." MIDGET  "    DOES  MEETINGS  FOR    16  YEARS  NOW  
WITH MIDGET   RESULTS  
WHILE  MEETING  OF  WORKERS     AND  MINE OWNERS  MINDS
LOOKS  LIKE  THIS  :
---WORKERS  DEMANDING  100%  HIGHER  WAGES
--OWNERS OFFERING  7%     GEEESUS   
--  WHILE  RF  SAID    (THIS  IS )"the most exciting and potentially
 most rewarding place to be operating on our planet".

   i  AM  CONFUSED ..  THERE  IS   THOUSANDS  OF   POOR    SUCKERS
 HOLDING    $$   MULTIBILION  BAG   WHO   WERE LEAD  TO BELIEVE
  THAT  THIS  PLACE  IS  MONGOLIA      


RF: said capital was "a coward", and fled when it encountered
difficult business and economic conditions.
"The only thing you know about the investment climate is that it will change
. Right now it's cloudy; not so good.
 Money is fleeing emerging markets.
 It’s running home to safer places,
but it will regain its courage and will come back," he said.

CORRECTION :
THE   SMART  MONEY     DID  THAT  ="the idiots"  according  to  RF
  who  don't  believe  in  "supercycle  forever "

THE  HANDFUL   OF  BAGHOLDERS  ,THE    " TRQ/ IVN  / IVAN /SGQ  FOREVER"
GUYS  HAVE  NO MONEY  LEFT    TO  FLEEE  WITH
LOOOOOL  

Altogether . I   can not  believe  this  is  our  Bob ...
  Where  is  the  hype  ,parabola  , self promotion  ...


BTW   HOW  IS  THE  NEXT  IVN  DILUTION  GOING =  THE   JSE   LISTING?
THERE IS  JUST  COUPLE OF  MONTHS  LEFT   FOR  IVN  TO  RUN
 OUT OF   WORKING CAPITAL  AGAIN
I  SUGGEST   2    "  RIGHTS  OFFERING"  
--for  the  bagholders    and
--  human  rights   offering  for  the  miners   
 (using the  bagholders   money )
.
And   why, instead  of  putting his  money  into
"the most exciting and potentially most rewarding place on our planet"
he is  nerwously    diversiifying /  swithcing  into  not only   TOTALLY  different
place  -  Ivanhoe   Motion Pictures -   but  also place  he  knows  little  about.

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