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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Largo Inc T.LGO

Alternate Symbol(s):  LGO

Largo Inc. is a Canada-based producer and supplier of vanadium products. The Company’s segments include sales & trading, mine properties, corporate, exploration and evaluation properties (E&E properties), Largo Clean Energy and Largo Physical Vanadium. Its VPURE and VPURE+ products, which are sourced from one of the vanadium deposits at the Company's Maracas Menchen Mine in Brazil. The Company... see more

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Largo Inc > Sales were Disappointing
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Post by kha341 on Aug 13, 2020 7:59pm

Sales were Disappointing

 


Q2-20


Production = 2,562T = 5,648,000 lbs

Sales = 1,018T = 2,244,000 lbs = a lot less than Q2 Production.

So let’s have a look about Sales.
Starting from May (i.e post G era) our Sales are only recognized at the time of the final delivery (Side note: I have no idea how the contracts are negotiated. Based on the prices at destination?).

We know that 480T (1,058,000 lbs) were produced in April and we can safely assumed that those were sold to G and as before the revenue was recognized right away at the gate thus the Q2 booking of a remeasurement in favour to G of ~$2.4M (Clipper, would you please tell us what the average MBEuro V2O5 prices for April).

And the total May-June production = 2,082T (May = 1,052 and June = 1,030T) was to be sold by Mr Vollant. How many of those were actually sold? Who knows. What we know is that out of a total Sales recognition of 1,018T, 480T were sold under the G contract, and only 538T (= 1,018T - 480T) were sold and delivered under the new contracts to new customers. Now, 538T represents merely ~26% of the May-June production. Repeat: Only ~26% of the May-June production was recognized as sales revenue in Q2. 


 

The Q2 results also indicate that
Vanadium Sales from contracts with customers = $10.8M and Glencore remeasurement = ~$2.4M.

So 

The average revenue per pound sold (before taking into account the G re-measurement) = $4.81/lb (= $10.8M / 2.244M lbs)

The average revenue per pound sold (after taking into account the G re-measurement) = $3.72/lb (= $8.4M / 2.244M lbs)


Now let’s compare the above to $6.14/lb which was the average price per lb of V2O5 for Q2 2020 reported in the Financial Statements. 


Huge gaps! 

Comment by Clipper2 on Aug 13, 2020 8:10pm
Hi kha average MB Euro for April was  6.38. 2020-04-01 ..... 5.58 2020-04-02 ..... 5.58 2020-04-03 ..... 5.73 2020-04-04 ..... 5.73 2020-04-05 ..... 5.73 2020-04-06 ..... 5.73 2020-04-07 ..... 5.73 2020-04-08 ..... 5.73 2020-04-09 ..... 5.73 2020-04-10 ..... 5.73 2020-04-11 ..... 5.73 2020-04-12 ..... 5.73 2020-04-13 ..... 5.73 2020-04 ...more  
Comment by Clipper2 on Aug 13, 2020 8:22pm
Thanks for that kha. Hopefully sales will pick up. as we go forward, and I'm confident we have seen the worst. Tomorrow's CC should shed more light on  Sales. Many companies have gone bankrupt over the last 3 or 4 months so under the circumstances I think we did OK. GL
Comment by kha341 on Aug 13, 2020 8:29pm
Clipper, Would you please tell us the average MB Euro V2O5 prices for April
Comment by kha341 on Aug 13, 2020 8:31pm
Oops I just saw it thank you. 6.38/lb
Comment by kha341 on Aug 13, 2020 8:46pm
The average revenue per pound sold (before taking into account the G re-measurement) = $4.81/lb (= $10.8M / 2.244M lbs). This average revenue is for the whole Q2. If the average MB Euro V2O5 price for April (under the G contract our revenue was based on the MB Euro V2O5 prices) was 6.38/lb then a Q average revenue of $4.81 means that the May-June Vollant’s  average revenue must be a lot worse ...more  
Comment by DasuDasu1 on Aug 13, 2020 10:12pm
Really hope some analyst can raise your point Kha. They have no excuses anymore going forward.
Comment by Clipper2 on Aug 13, 2020 11:24pm
Demand for vanadium has been seriously reduced since the Covid-19  pandemic reared it's ugly head. However, demand has recently started to pick up and we are beginning to see the AsianMetal's vanadium prices slowly moving higher. Hopefully MB will follow suit.  The Covid-19 pandemic has given Largo a genuine excuse for todays  disappointing sales numbers. They do ...more  
Comment by jcw604 on Aug 13, 2020 10:31pm
6.38/lb is a better price than the later price. It reduces the remeasurement of for the previous quarter. However, it created remeasurement for the month of April, because those goods will only arrive in May.
Comment by island9999 on Aug 14, 2020 12:52am
    Certainly not a stellar quarter by any measure, having said that we are in line with a number of analysts calls of 0.1 cent per share loss, we are currently in a world wide industry upheaval, thankfully we are comparatively debt free (albeit the small loan outstanding).Refering to plate 10 of the August presentation,"The low volume of sales in May and June was expected and ...more  
Comment by kha341 on Aug 14, 2020 7:15am
The above statement by Largo is not very clear, imo. The revenue from sales is now recognized at the time of delivery. Granted. There are products that are put on board, shipped, on the way to the customers and it may take a few months before they reach the final destination. In accounting the cost of the goods in transit are recorded in Inventory until the recognition of thesales revenue. The ...more  
Comment by kha341 on Aug 14, 2020 10:01am
What we want to know is not only the “volume” but also the “price”. As per the Q2-20 results Mr Vollant was selling the May-June products at a dirt cheap price per lb. 
Comment by EnglishTickler on Aug 14, 2020 10:22am
We were told to expect low sales this quarter... - Inventory buildup. - Sales paid on delivery which could be months. Not too concerning how much was sold as long as production is up. I think 90% of this board would agree that V price will be going up. I'd rather them sell 26% of their product while V price is low and hold on to the rest until it goes up. Think of the future revenue that will ...more  
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