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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum LAKE SHORE GOLD CORP 6.25 PCT DEBS T.LSG.DB

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Post by stitch1956 on Jun 18, 2015 6:29pm

debentures

I think there is about 86 million in debentures. Any take out is likely well in excess of the exercise price of 1.40. That will be dilutive.  The more debentures they can buy up before hand the less he dilution on take over. Moreover, it is an easy way to buy shares in the company as the debentures can be converted to shares at any time. Same thing today, lot of buying from Anonomous.
Comment by bigdaddycash on Jun 18, 2015 6:36pm
I hold both shares and debentures.  I just read the "Change of Control of the Corporation" section in the prospectus on the debentures and it is outstanding and very favorable to debenture holders.  Take a read.  The actual conversion price drops from $1.40 to a lesser amount based on how far into the life of the debentures a change of control would occur - the ealier a ...more  
Comment by bigdaddycash on Jun 18, 2015 6:38pm
If I am reading this correctly, the debebtures will actually dilute shareholders more if they are converted by a change of control because the conversion price drops and therefore the number of shares that are issued on conversion will increase.  correct me if I am wrong...
Comment by geoffs13 on Jun 18, 2015 9:17pm
This is not encouraging ---ouch triple ouch ---this shall hold the price down until Sept /17 .Then conversion and all h--- breaks out . All we can hope is that Tony is aware of this wrinkle ,thus the increase in the number of shares after conversion .Perhaps someone could make up a chart showing the number of shares vs. dates to Sept/17. Interesting find --ouch
Comment by helgek on Jun 18, 2015 10:48pm
I am not sure how the mechanics of a conversion or redemption will work. Let us consider an example: X offers $2 for the common shares. The next days, the SP will be close to $2, but the company can only redeem at 100 after 30 days, but holders can demand conversion to common shares immediately at 140.
Comment by JRaffles on Jun 19, 2015 4:37am
LSG's rights to purchase debentures for cancellation, in the 2012 prospectus, is copied below. As it would be in shareholders interest for director sto use part of their cash holding to reduce debenture convertibility, then could it be that LSG is the anonymous buyer of debentures? Source: Prospectus Purchase for Cancellation   The Corporation may, to the extent permitted by applicable ...more  
Comment by SKRiderFan on Jun 19, 2015 7:13am
good piont JR, i am not sure of accounting procedeur but are debs on the balance sheet as long term debt?
Comment by geoffs13 on Jun 19, 2015 9:16am
Tony recently made a COMMENT ALONG THESE LINES .
Comment by bossu on Jun 19, 2015 9:28am
They can buy back debentures but I think they have to receive acceptance from the TSE with normal course issuer bid for convertible debentures.I have not see any note about any buy back. So who has been the big buyers in the past 3 days and there was a huge buying/ selling of 2,111,000 units at a price of $ 110 to $ 113 /unit ,So huge amont of money !! We will for sure in a short while the reason ...more  
Comment by ore2riches on Jun 19, 2015 10:47am
Bossu wrote:  "in the past 3 days and there was a huge buying/ selling of 2,111,000 units at a price of $ 110 to $ 113 /unit" Hey Bossu, I'm still pretty green at this...but when I try to see the debentures on webbroker all I can find is:   Day Date Open High Low Close Volume*  ...more  
Comment by bossu on Jun 19, 2015 11:19am
Simply go to the STOCK WATCH site and clic on th  last 3 months closing price.for LSG.DB May be somebody else could provide the link but I can't
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