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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Pyrogenesis Canada Inc T.PYR

Alternate Symbol(s):  PYRGF

PyroGenesis Canada Inc. is a Canada-based high-tech company. It is engaged in the design, development, manufacture and commercialization of advanced plasma processes and sustainable solutions which reduce greenhouse gases. It offers patented and advanced plasma technologies that are used in four markets: iron ore palletization, aluminum, waste management, and additive manufacturing. Its... see more

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Pyrogenesis Canada Inc > VALE probability, numbers **UPDATED** Calculations SUMMARY
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Post by developbc on Jul 13, 2020 6:03pm

VALE probability, numbers **UPDATED** Calculations SUMMARY

Hey guys updating w important calculation corrections and few other added points which is going to be build even STRONGER CASE! 

While reading post by MazerRR (one of the best DD posters on this forum) I re-read Vale's Climate Chage initiative he posted:
https://www.vale.com/esg/en/Pages/ClimateChange.aspx and I realized few things but most importantly calculations of the reduction of GHG estimates:

The calculation corrections were mainly due to reading it as reduction of 9.5M tons of GHG when it should be reduction to 9.5M tons which is a far smaller number of 4.65M tons which increases the allocation figure very signficantly from $210.53USD/ton to $430USD/ton...which bodes even better for Pyrogenesis as we speculate it who Client A is(the strongest indication it is indeed Vale but regardless who it is...it is massive for PYR!)

 

1. VALE Iron Ore Producer / Salient Points:

  • $57Billion USD market cap .

  • Biggest iron ore pelletization international producer in the world

  • International producer with 19 plants[11 plants in Brazil (4 are currently suspended), 25% stake in 2 pellet plants in China, 2 plants in Oman, 4 plants through JV with BHP Biliton]

  • $2Billion USD earmarked/budgeted specifically to lower Vale's GHG emissions by 33 % in less than 9 years(2030)

  • Reduction target to 9.5Millions not of 9.5Million tons which is actually 4.65 Million tons of GHG emissions by 2030 (33% of 2017 levels 14.1Mt CO2 = 4.65 Mt CO2)

  • $2B/4.65Mt CO2= $210.53USD $430 USD price per ton of annual CO2 reduction [ SIDE NOTE: 10 years until the deadline of 2030, equates to ~$43 USD/ton (if you don’t include 2020), which is close to the $50 USD/ton Vale has adopted as an internal (Shadow) carbon price for economic feasibility studies for projects; their Shadow carbon price also happens to be within the range of the estimated carbon credit price by 2030 within the EU emissions trading system (37$ USD to 68$ USD].


2. Pyrogensis correlation & relevance / Salient Points:

  • Vale stated in their sustainability report(p97) to decarbonization of metallurgy and using electric processes to accomplish that...."One of t465he main curren programs of the company is PowerShift, which seeks to boost innovation and technologies for the effective reduction GHG emissions in operations...."

  • Pyrogenesis’ first NR for this client on April 30 stated that the client is an ‘international producer’ of iron-ore pellets with over 10 plants requiring plasma torches
     

  • June 11, 2020 Pyrogenesis NR states the use of PYR's plasma torches could result in at CO2 reduction in excess of 350,000 tons per year per plant *THIS IS OF HUGE IMPORTANCE*
  • Vale's utilizing PYR's torches per plant:~350,000 tons/year x $210.53USD/plant $430 USD / ton of annual CO2 reduced = $73.7 $150.5 Million USD / Plant (taking into account 10 plants or ~500 torches this would be ~$1.5B USD note: it could be more than 10 plants, this is just used as an example)

  • Economics effectiveness per torch: $73.7M USD/50 torches per plant=$1.474M USD is $2M CDN $150.5M USD / 50 torches per plant=$3.01M USD/torch (this is an estimate at how much Vale would be willing to pay based on the $2B investment towards GHG reduction)


3. PYR market advantage/key pts:
 

  • PYR is the ONLY game in town who is the only induration plasma torch application granted patent!
  • On July 2, Pyrogenesis announced that the subsequent phases of the benefits of transitioning to plasma torches were extended by 6 weeks in order to incorporate the additional data into an ‘ideal plasma torch configuration’ for this clientwith the ultimate goal being to eliminate GHG emissions from all their plants. “Barring any unforeseen events, we believe that it is entirely reasonable that initial torch equipment purchases will be placed in Q3 2020.”
  • Only a few days later, July 6, Vale announced plans to offer notes due 2030 and July 7 there is the US $1.5B offering due 2030 fully subscribed by July 9,2020. 2030 note's due date is exact same as the Vale's 2030 33% GHG reduction. The timing of the offering and the dollar value heavily leans towards everything coming together...very strongly!
  • As calculated above, $3.01M USD is an estimate of the amount Vale can budget for each PYR plasma torch, to fit within Vale’s $2B USD investment allocated to renewable energy & lower carbon solutions for a GHG reduction of 33% (to meet the 2030 emissions target & align with Science Based Target Initiative (SBTI) methodology & the Paris agreement).
 

4. Vale's mitigation/recovery of investment CAPEX:

  • Gov't grant $

  • Carbon credits (Brazil should have a carbon credit system within the next year/two & be able to trade credits internationally)

  • Potential OPEX savings by using cheap hydro vs fossil fuel (Also, Carbon pricing mechanisms may drive up the price of fossil fuels in the future, introducing additional risk to its use.)

  • Higher sales of iron pellets as they are produced cleanly (more attractive vs competitors’ product as their pellets reduce indirect emissions in iron ore production value chain & are potentially cheaper as they won’t need to price in carbon cost)

  • Avoiding fines/penalties

  • Access to credit facilities & debt issuances from financial institutions

  • Appeasing investors

  • Meeting internal emission reduction targets & complying with Paris agreement
     

Summary:

  • In particular, the ability to sell iron pellets at a cheaper price would put pressure on the competition to follow suit and reduce CO2 emissions to remain competitive (this may explain the flurry of interest in Pyro’s torches – PYR also has a patent on plasma torches in Iron pelletizing induration furnaces)
  • It’s therefore reasonable to conclude $3M USD CDN NPV valuation per torch as Peter stated (he mentioned $3M per in NRs, but on Agoracom stated it is reasonable to assume this is in USD).
  • 15 plants @ 350,000 tons/year reduction of GHG w PYR torches = 5.25Million tons/year of reduced GHG emissions .  Compare that with Tesla 3.6Million tons over 3 years to day. Vale can almost double that inredible feat in the 1st year utilizing PYR's torches

Torch sale calculations Client A(Vale) best case scenario:

  • Highest and best case with full swap out of all of Vale's 15 plants: 15 x 50 torches/plant = 750 torches. 750 torches x $3M/torch =$2.25B torch sale @67% margin = $1.5075B USD profit [ based on Sweden Rise contract of $1M w small profit cab deduce $3M would carry 67% profit margine spread at base min]. 
  • Add 5% recurring revenue for maintance 20-30 years useful economic life of torches = $75M USD/year [very high profit margin as only one service center PYR]. I will let you guys use your own P/E ratios of 20,30 etc....

Client B , C and beyond...for now this is monterous huge!!  This is only one division in 1 industry...PYR has other massive divisions that can and will morph into greatness you can be sure of that!

TIP OF THE ICEBERG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - PYR CEO
Comment by developbc on Jul 14, 2020 11:29am
Sorry guys I bumped up the other post..I meant to bump this one up which is corrected.   This is really tip of the iceberg...the thought of this being just one client amongst many in just one industry from Pyrogenesis one division.   Pyrogenesis other divisions are equally as massive. Pyrogenesis is like a mini fund!   On the launch pad ready to take off into stratosphere. 
Comment by BCONTVentures on Aug 31, 2020 11:29am
Excellent post, worth re-reading a couple of times. Exciting times!  Long and Strong in PyroGenesis!
Comment by BCONTVentures on Sep 02, 2020 10:23am
Bump up of a great post!  Exciting times!
Comment by BCONTVentures on Sep 04, 2020 7:17am
Bump up of a great post!  Read this in conjunction with the post I just put up from developbc. Exciting times! [/quote]
Comment by Pitpitcolisse on Sep 04, 2020 10:20am
Don't feed the trolls, instead let's keep good info on top. [/quote]
Comment by kingscorpion on Sep 04, 2020 10:29am
It's going to be a toss up between VALE and LKAB BOTH WITH MORE THEN 10 PLANTS BOTTOM LINE IS 10 PLANTS MINIMUM EACH REQUIRING 50 TORCHES AND EACH TORCH AT $3 MIL EACH TAKES THE POTENTIAL.CONTRACT TO A MINIMUM $1.5 BILLION USD I SAID MINIMUM BECAUSE PASCALLI SAID MORE THEN 10 PLANTS SO AS TO ALLOW COMPANIES TO STAY ANONYMOUS COMPANY B POTENTIAL CONTRACT OF $300 MILLION AND COMPANY C ANYWHERE ...more  
Comment by Pyromanic14 on Sep 04, 2020 10:34am
Just curious but where are these companies getting these billions of dollars? No way they have that kind of cash sitting in the bank! Is it mostly government funding or small payments to pyro over long term? FYI I'm not a basher I've been in with pyro since under 1 dollar! 
Comment by Pitpitcolisse on Sep 04, 2020 10:43am
You have the benefit of the doubt newbi, here is some info, now go read because it's hard to believe you have been into pyro that long. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timtreadgold/2020/07/14/iron-ore-boom-generates-700-gross-profit-margins-for-big-miners/#6851df3e494b
Comment by topseeker on Sep 04, 2020 10:47am
 Wow, I'm certain your lying. I'm not one to say that, but in your case, it was an easy call. Bye Bye as I hit Ignore !  Seriously & Sincerely,  Topseeker
Comment by kingscorpion on Sep 04, 2020 10:48am
Pyroidiot VALE ALREADY DONE A.$1.5 BILLION BOUGHT DEAL.PLUS THEY ARE HUGE COMPANIES WITH CASH AND I AM SURE PAYMENTS CAN BE PAYED MONTHLY I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT THE GOOD NEWS IS AS SOON AS THESE PLAG AND PLAY PLASMA TORCHES ARE INSTALLED THE COMLANIES WILL. START SEEING THE BENEFITS AS THEIR BOTTOM LINE WILL IMPROVE DRASTICALLY
Comment by amillionorbust on Sep 04, 2020 4:41pm
kingS WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS SCREAM!!!
Comment by Pitpitcolisse on Sep 04, 2020 4:59pm
Why are you always criticizing other posters? Is that your job or just you like being a troll? Just checked your history, not much of anything except criticism of others... Stop living for the others and tell us why you have shares?
Comment by Good4You on Sep 04, 2020 10:44am
AGREED kingscorpion*****Keep doing the good work! Long and $trong. A little patience will make you RICH and Wealthy. Accumulate if you may and buy these shares manipulators are selling to eachother at bargain prices. Good4You
Comment by kingscorpion on Sep 04, 2020 10:44am
So just on these 3 companies the potential revenue is about $6 BILLION CDN The net revenue will be around $2.4 Billion cdn The E/S will be around $17 / share if market decides to give a forward looking PE of 2 then the s.p projection will go to $34 Once the job is done then it can enjoy a PE multiple of 10 and if market falls in love with PYR then the PE ratio can be as high or higher then 40 The ...more  
Comment by BCONTVentures on Sep 10, 2020 2:32pm
This is an older post below but an informative read regarding Client A for the Iron Ore Pelletizing contract. I've been a shareholder in PyroGenesis since 2017, my initial investment thesis/decision was on PyroGenesis' Additive Manufacturing/3D Printing division.  Since then it has been so exciting/interesting learning more about the numerous divisions/business lines that PyroGenesis ...more  
Comment by developbc on Dec 28, 2021 6:15pm
One of the engineers  of PYR posted this on his linkedin but was just removed..most likely he had no idea PYR has NDA signed. Thanks to @helloween for posting this up while he could: https://cdn-ceo-ca.s3.amazonaws.com/1gsms2u-Screenshot_20211228-151515_Chrome.jpg Awesome feeling when we now have strong confidence that client A is mega giant VALE!   This was from post back ...more  
Comment by developbc on Dec 28, 2021 6:45pm
Seems like linkedin post is still up but I am betting not for long lol Also....*Please take my calculations below w a grain of salt and do your own DD as since then my calculations would need updating anyways. Extremely exciting times ahead :)  Long and strong PYR!!!!!!!!!
Comment by developbc on Dec 28, 2021 11:16pm
Oddly the linkedin post is still up but I'm sure it will be deleted by tomorrow. Also...again...*Please take my calculations below w a grain of salt and do your own DD as since then my calculations would need updating anyways. Extremely exciting times ahead :)  Long and strong PYR!!!!!!!!!  
Comment by BCONTVentures on Dec 29, 2021 8:54am
Great find and post, thanks to developbc and vestmed for this.  See post below, regarding Vale and Rio Tinto using PyroGenesis' torches for iron ore pelletizing.  Also note how big the iron ore pelletizing market is (and this is just one division/business line of PYR). Long and Strong in PyroGenesis!
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