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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Suncor Energy Inc. T.SU

Alternate Symbol(s):  SU

Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading, offshore oil and gas production, petroleum refining in Canada and the United States and its Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc. > Sold of all of my SU this week.
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Post by Obscure1 on Oct 06, 2022 11:18am

Sold of all of my SU this week.

I have used the current run up in oil prices to sell off my entire SU position. 

I paid off my margin (costing 5.7%) and put a serious chunk of money in the bank.  Not paying 5.7% is the same as making 5.7%.  At the moment, you can get 3% for 100 day notes from your bank or 4.5% if you are willing to tie up your money for a year which makes the bank spread very low.

If you are wondering what a low spread means, it means that the banks are expecting rates to go higher and they are trying to attract deposits now.

I'm now over 50% cash.

Every time (3 times in a row now) J Pow has raised the Fed Funds Rate by 75 basis points, the market has taken a serious tumble.  After a couple of weeks, it seems like the market forgets the pain and people are back buying again as if the dip is temporary.  It reminds me of child birth where the mother says "I will never do that again" and yet people keep having babies. 

If J Pow hits the market with another 75 point increase on Nov 2, the market is in for more pain. If J Pow maintains his story that the FED is going to continue to do what it has to do in order to get inflation down to 2% without any acknowledgement of potentially positive signs such as the manufacturing slowdown, the next round is going to be worse.  Remember, J Pow has already told us that the FED has learned from the past that it is very important to not take their foot off the brake too soon. 

A certain percentage of the population is already feeling the strain of higher rates.  The pain from every increase going forward is likely to be exponential.  In Canada, when variable rate mortgages start hitting their trigger point, all of the home owners and real estate investors who are hanging on by a thread will be in trouble.

When people have to sell their houses, it is not the same as selling stocks because the financial and emotional costs are huge.  As a consequence, stocks and every liquid asset gets dumped before the decision to sell a house happens.  The pros on Wall St. don't know this. They are just getting positioned to take advantage of the eventual capitulation like they always do.  When the moment of capitulation happens, those that have moved to cash can position themselves to double their net worth in a matter of months or certainly in a year or two.  Don't believe me!  I assume everyone reading this can remember 2020 and 2008/2009. 

I don't know if I have made the right decision or not.  The price of SU is already up a buck above my selling price so I look like an idiot so far.  I take consolation in the fact that I nearly doubled my money on the investment.

To me, the lost opportunity is worth it to be in a position to take advantage of a capitualiton in the market as opposed to being on the wrong side of it.
Comment by Experienced on Oct 06, 2022 12:30pm
I have been doing some selling this week as well and have raised my cash position to 40%. In terms of your points regarding The Fed and Powell.....yep The thing that people need to realize is that while interest rates have gone up by Central Banknrate hikes, as long as those rates are below the inflation rate, the policy is still stimulative.  Powell knows this and he also knows that he ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Oct 06, 2022 12:32pm
will end soon as well. So when you put all this together it is just a matter of time before the sheet hits the fan and we move into a recession.
Comment by GingerEnergy111 on Oct 06, 2022 12:51pm
Good points Obscure1.  The real estate investors have been riding on ultra low rates and already I have heard rumblings from rentors being told the rent is going up due to rate hikes and many are beyond the year 1 lock in time and doing a month to month.  So the landlord has the power.  Either higher rent or move and they will still pay higher rent.  Great comment on stock ...more  
Comment by silkos on Oct 06, 2022 1:17pm
Same here, I sold SU full position and some other energy holdings and I am @ 55% Cash. Will sell more tomorrow if the uptrend continues. Moving forward, I plan to play Experienced's favourite game ... the wait game ... will wait to buy back in as the tides turn. All rates increases so far did not put too much of a dent in the core inflation, rates have to move up whatever the cost to stop the ...more  
Comment by meritmat on Oct 06, 2022 4:04pm
Well boss no man ever went broke taking a profit.  As for me.....it ain't cheap to fish in the Bahamas so long and strong 
Comment by Wynjoe on Oct 07, 2022 10:11am
Suncor will go way up from here but you never made a mistake. Many more beaten down stocks will present a tremendous buying opportunity in new year.Airlines is a big one looking out,Suncor will surpass all recent highs however .
Comment by Galic1 on Oct 10, 2022 5:10pm
Thanks when I read your post about selling I also sold  SU and CNQ on October got the highs on the stocks on this run, Jaime Diamond is saying the stock market has another 20% to go down.  I put all the money in a money market fund for now.
Comment by Bigbear7405 on Oct 11, 2022 4:35pm
I did as well.  Seeing the numbers of loans on variable going up from 1.43% to 5.65% in 6 months is screwing people over some much.  Government debts are subject to this as well. Its going to be bad.
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