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Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd. TRQ


Primary Symbol: T.TRQ

Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd is a global mining company that primarily mines copper, gold, and coal in the Asia-Pacific region. The company holds a 66% interest in Oyu Tolgoi, one of the world's largest copper-gold-silver mines, which ships concentrate to customers in China. Oyu Tolgoi is located in the South Gobi region of Mongolia, approximately 550 km south of the capital, Ulaanbaatar, and 80 km north of the Mongolia-China border. The company also holds interests in companies that mine...


TSX:TRQ - Post by User

Post by GEEEon Mar 14, 2013 3:32am
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Post# 21127835

Death of commodity prices part 5

Death of commodity prices part 5

This  is  part  5   in  series     DEATH  OF  COMMODITY PRICES  
parts  1-4  links  here
https://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/messagedetail.aspx?p=0&m=32315680&l=0&r=0&s=etg&t=list

Profits  of  China  steelers    down 98.2 % in 2012
 Profits  of  China  alu cos     down 92 % in 2012
Profits  of  whole   China   nonferrous  metal industry  down 34 percent


  And   is  gonna  be  worse   because  demand   for   steel  and  Cu may be hurt
 after China's  cabinet on March 1 introduced measures to tame home prices,
 including a 20 percent tax on individuals selling properties, "
On  top of  that   a   second  gov  punch in  speculators   face    is   to    roll out
  nationwide   property  tax     after  successfull pilot   in    couple  of   cities  
Will those   2 needles   pop the  RE  bubble  ?


1 . Death  of   coal , steel and   all  other  major   metal  prices    is    already  there
We  don't need  to   waste  our  breath  on them  
 IE   Alu  oversupply / overcapacity  is  there   practically   for   ever  
Pricing  scams   run  by   who  else   -  the   wampire   squids  -  GS,JPM,MS
  who  own the  alu  warehouses  (  hoarding to keep Alu price  high   hit them  back )
  nothwithstanding
https://crmassociates.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/a-quandry-for-the-lmes-new-owner-are-its-aluminum-warehouses-too-big-to-fail-or-too-big-to-succeed/


LME  AS  INDEPENDENT  PRICE  DISCOVERY     EXCHANGE  BECAME  A  JOKE  - DEAD  TOO.


Key members of the copper industry have already officially informed the LME   IN  2012  
that if the aluminum situation is replicated in copper it will be a catastrophe for the market


 WELL,  FORWARD  TO   2013    THE   CATASTROPHE  /  TOTAL    CU  MANIPULATION  SCAM   IS  THERE
 Zhong Min, vice-general manager at Jinrui Futures Co   SAID ;


70 percent of all refined copper  (  DEMAND ) is for financing needs.( not real  use )


I  HOPE  HE   IS  NOT  TALKING   ALL   =10 MT   CHINA   DEMAND  
THAT  WOULD  MEAN  A  GLOBAL  CATASTROPHE  = 7MT  Cu  of   NOT  REAL  DEMAND  ?
Taking instead  just 70%  of   refined Cu  importds   we  are  talking   2 mt  Cu  laying  in  warehouses    as  collateral
( 8  times  the   LME   stockpiles  and  13  times  OT  pit prod.)
  2  times  more  than    the  1mt  in BONDED =  traceable     warehouses.
identified   in 1 h  2012    SEE  PREVIOUS  POST =  scam is   growing .


2.The   news  about  latest   ( but not last )  nail in the  coffin
of   the   second  most  resilent  commodity   after  Cu  ... the  iron ore  ( IO )
   is  just  reaching the  last  to know  ..   the  wide  investors  audience


 RIO is  SOOOOOOO SCREWED... as  every other  miner...    for  years  to come

  Wang said, "the price of iron ore is expected to decline,
and the trend will continue until 2015 due to an oversupply problem in the global market
China imported    8.38 percent  more   of IO  in 2012  but   at  21.52 percent lower  price


A significant rise in iron ore capacity coupled with moderate steel output growth
 will see a shift in pricing power for the raw material from the hands of mining companies
 to Chinese steelmakers in 2013, analysts at Goldman Sachs said Thursday.


"In 2013, we forecast China's steel production to rise 5% to 745 million mt
 and global iron ore supply to grow 9.5%, sending the global iron ore market
 into a meaningful surplus for the first time since 2003,"

 analysts led by Julian Zhu said in a note.
THE   RISE IN  ORE  DEMAND  IS less than 4%  BECAUSE   OF use of    SCRAP

The  hit  for   western IO  miners  will be   still bigger   because
about 40%  , or 180 million mt/year, of new  China  iron ore run-of-mine capacity
 under construction is forecast to come onstream over 2013-2015,
 MEANS    CHINA IMPORTS  OF  IO    WILL  SHRINK  IN  EACH OF  NEXT  3  Y  


3  THE  LAST MAN  (HARDLY )  STANDING   ON THE   VERGE  OF   an open   GRAVE  OF  ALL OTHER  METALS  IN   IS  Cu.


 NEXT   POSTS  WILL   SOHW  THAT  CU  IS   ALREADY  LIKE   A  FISH  ON   DRY  LAND
JUMPING IN  CONVULSIONS  UP AND  DOWN  ,  but in few months
it  will be  obvious  the  fish  died .


Next  post    WILL BE  ABOUT
 THE   (  fatal  for investors )FALLACY  OF   CHINA  CU  DEMAND PROJECTIONS  
BASED   ON   COMPARISONS  OF  CU  USAGE PER  CAPITA    in  western  countries.

STAY  ALSO   TUNED   FOR   SPECIAL  FEATURE  
" HOW  YOU  CAN  BECOME  A  MULTIBILLIONAIRE  
 WTIHIN  JUST  1 MONTH  BY  TAKING    MULTIPLE   LOANS  
AGAINST   SAME   PILE  OF  NONEXISTENT    STEEL OR  CU.
  SUPPOSEDLY  STORED IN   SOME  WAREHOUSE.

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