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Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd. TRQ


Primary Symbol: T.TRQ

Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd is a global mining company that primarily mines copper, gold, and coal in the Asia-Pacific region. The company holds a 66% interest in Oyu Tolgoi, one of the world's largest copper-gold-silver mines, which ships concentrate to customers in China. Oyu Tolgoi is located in the South Gobi region of Mongolia, approximately 550 km south of the capital, Ulaanbaatar, and 80 km north of the Mongolia-China border. The company also holds interests in companies that mine...


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Post by GEEEon Jan 04, 2014 5:27am
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Robert Friedlans's crumbling Ivanhoe empire Part 2

Robert Friedlans's crumbling Ivanhoe empire Part 2
Robert Friedlans's  crumbling  Ivanhoe   empire  Part 2
Eulogy  for  a billionaire no more
The  truth  vs. the  legend  
and  the   tens of  $$ billion   loses  by  the investors  who
kept believing  in his   " golden-turned- toxic - touch "
for  few  years  too long.

======================
   A ...CAUTIONARY  NOTES  
RF  or  RMF  = Robert  Martin Friedland
This  is  just  crude  introduction , scraching  just the  top of  the iceberg
Numbers  are  aporoximate  and  subject  to future  corrections /details.
To reduce  the  number  of the  many  assumptions and to paint detailed  story
one  needs  months of  investigative  journalism and  army of  foresenic  accountants
Wich  is  beyound  scope  of   this  - our  opinion only -  introduction.
We claim safe  harbour and claim the  right  to  use   as  colorful
exxuberant  phrases  as   RFM .
Some    quoted  facts  and  statements  are  taken at  face  value
Authors  of  those publications  ( as  well as  we )  could  have  gotten  them
 in various  degrees on rigth- wrong  scale .
Most  of  our text is  just  copy and paste  of  easy  avaliable  
   stuff on the  Internet.
.Our  role is just  to organise it, connect the  dots
discover  the bigger picture, and draw the conclusions.
 With an  attempt  to look at the  RF  story beyond   smoke  and mirror ,
 BS, hype ,and  " legend".
At  any  given time  we  may  be  short  or  long  or  both   the  various  RF  companies .

============================
B.  HISTORY OF  ROBERT FRIEDLAND   TRQ  STAKE AND  IT.S  VALUE  
 
 The  growth in sh  count   is  likely  due  to  the  cheap options
IN  CAD

Dec 31  2005     100,834,334   =  31.92%    x   around  $ 9 =  $ 908 m

Dec 31 2007   102,142,325   =  27.1%   1.3 M  SH  MORE   X   $10.8/SH   =  $ 1.1b

Dec  31 2009    97,256,622    = 22.83%  4.9 m SH  LESS , SOLD   5  % DURING 2008  MARKET CRASH ?
x  $15.5 /sh =   $  1.5 b

FEB  11  2011  101,360,739      = 15.5  % ,  2.1 m  sh more  x  28 / sh
=   $ 3.17 b  ON   THE  BLOW -OFF TOP  CRAZINESS,  of  $  22 b  market cap
At that  time  the  66%   OT bare  ground  + FS  (  minus  the $3b or  so  capex  to date)
FORBES  REPORTED    HIS  WEALTH   2  WEEKS  LATER  AT  $  3.4  B in  USD
MEANING,  90% OF  HIS  EGGS  WERE  IN   TRQ

THE    66% OF  OT  BARE  GROUND  +  FS  was  valued  at   $  19 b
( $ 22 B TRQ  MINUS  $  3 B or  so  capex  to  date)

 , AND  WHOLE  OT   AT   $  25.5  B

3  TIMES  THE  MONGOLIA  GDP  AND  
 AS MACH  AS  PRICE  FOR  WHOLE   COUNTRY  @  P/S  3  ( P / GDP)
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS   
 
31  DEC  2011  101,938,544     =  822K   MORE   =  13.8 %    x  $   18.1  /sh =    $ 1.85 b

2013 02   14       SH  103,760,164    = 10.3 %   , 2 m   sh more  x  $ 7.6 /SH =  $ 787 M

How  little  he  has  at  Dec  31  2013   -we  will know  in mid  Feb 2014   fillings  
All we know  is  the  sale  of  17 m  sh  Apr  19  2013  =  say   86,7 m  sh   x   $  3.2  (Jan 3  2014)
=   $  280 m

ROBERT FRIEDLAND    APPARENT LOS  IS    ALMOST  $  2.9  B   FROM TRQ  TOP  AND  COUNTING

 83%, .....83%.....83%    OF  HIS  ENTIRE   ALL TIME  HIGH (  though  very  brief )  WEALTH
  ON   $  3.4 B TOP  

HERE  GOES  THE  " LEGENDARY"  BOB  
looooooooooooooooooool
SP 500  meanwhile   is  up  40%  in that  time  

 Next  Y  his  TRQ paper    wealth  was  cut in half

 Than next  Y  his  TRQ paper   wealth  was  cut in half   AGAIN

Than next  Y  his  TRQ  paper  wealth  was  cut in half   AGAIN -3  rd  time

 If  he  ( with  15-20%  aver  stake over  years) lost  $  3b
 the  80% other  investors  ( incl. RIO )   LOST  AT LEAST  $  10b
 Confirmation of  the  $  13   total  loses  calculated  differently  before.

====================
 
  C.   ONLY    2  things  prevented  him from   ending up  at   $ 500m  net  worth  from $  3.4 b

1. AFTER  FIRST  CUT  IN HALF   HE  APPARENTLY  HEDGED
 ( went  effectively  short TRQ) privately  all or  part of  his  stake  .
The   part  we  already know    see here  
https://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.ivn/ivanhoe-mines-limited?postid=22055226

  reduced  his  TRQ loses  to  $ 2.7 b

2.  Started  new  pump  and  hype  =  new   IVN  
THE  PRE-  IPO IVN PUMP  WAS :  HE  WILL PRICE  IVN  AT  $  5  b
AND  CREATE  $ 1.3 B  WEALTH FOR  HIMSELF

  D.    SORY..   MANAGED  TO OVERPRICE  IVN  JUST  AT  $2 B  AT  IPO
This  time  market  didn;'t  swallow  the  IVN   hook  
and  charm of  the  " legendary  fisherman " lol
 
https://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/pju/lowres/pjun62l.jpg  

IVN   right  from tthe  IPO  went  down reaching it;'s  first  cut in half  now
$1.1 b cap now    from  over  $  2b  at  IPO

RF  27%  stake =   $  270 m loss  . Investors  loss  730m
STILL, CREATED  FOR  HIMSELF  $  270M
Instead of  hoped  for   $  1.3 B  =  5  times less.

Later  RF  added insult to injury    diluting  IVN   at 60%  lower  price  

IVN $300m  rised in IPO is  gone (  $102 m  debt repay + $  160m burned )  
Excluding the Platreef Project working capital, the resultant working capital
was negative $6.3 million at September 30, 2013,
Running out of  money  they   diluted    54 m  sh  for $108 m    which  will last them  for  H1   2014

 E.  HOW  NOT  CREDIT  WORTHY  RF  ADVENTURES   BECOME
   AND  HOW  RISKY  DRC  IS  
WAS  REFLECTED  IN THE  LOAN  
THE  SELLER OF  KIPUSHI MINE  TO  RF   TOOK
The three-year notes were sold last year with an escalating interest rate
 that soars again to 26 percent in November 2013
GEEEEEESUS
HE  WOULD  BETTER OFF USING HIS  CREDIT CARD  .
 
 unless they’re redeemed for stock, according to the PROSPECTUS
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-27/friedland-seeks-ipo-as-convertible-cost-rises-corporate-canada.html

===========================
 F.  Another  way  to  look   at  his  "legendary "  wealth  creation  skills  loooool
Is    to  look  at      HOW  MUCH   WEALTH  HE  CREATED  FOR  HIMSELF
  SINCE   THE   START OF  THE  LEGEND    =  SELLING  VOISES  BAY  TO INCO    IN 1966

https://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=10

https://www.quillandquire.com/reviews/review.cfm?review_id=1178

Before  that   he  had  maybe  2  successful  flips  and  2    EPIC  DISASTERS  
Say , was  worth 150-    $ 200m  plus  Voises  Bay  wifall  400m =  $600m in 1996
IN 17  YEARS   TURNED THAT  $600M   o n e   t i m e    SUCCESS  TO  $1B  NOW  
= GOT  RICHER  BY  400M  =  70%  
THAT's    4%  RETURN   AVERAGE  YEAR     
LOOOOOL
SP 500  went in that  time   1000%  up

iN  THE  SAME  TIME  HIS  VERY  BUDDY  STEVE  JOBS  CREATED  A  CO
WITH CAP  BIGGER THAN  ALL THE  MINERS  IN THE  WORLD

investors  would  make  10 times more   in SP  index    than  RF MADE  FOR  HIMSELF  
since  the   start of  the  "Midas  touch "  LEGEND  IN 1996

looooooooooooooooooool
And of  course  no investor  can  ever  make  AS MUCH AS    "the  legend "
  by following  him ( he  is  always  AHEAD OF THEM =   SELLING  TO  THEM  )


 G.  SINCE  THEN   ALMOST  EVERYTHING  HE  TOUCHED  
CREATED   BY NOW   LOSES  UPON LOSES  FOR  INVESTORS  
AND  HIMSELF.
 SOME  MIDAS  TOUCH  ....ECH ?

One  could  only make  money  by  exiting  on top  after   initial  run
in the  past  + some  short term  trading  the  bounces
(  except TRQ  which  had  few epic  runs  and  drops )
Lately  one  can not get  even the  initial  hype  run  -  see IVN

***IE.to    $25  to  70c    after  13  y of  Midas  touching  by  Bob  looool

https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=ie.to&ql=1

***TRQ  took  12  Y  from all time low   $  1  to  all high  $  28   and
just  3  y  to get  cut by  9   to  $  3.2

https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=trq.to&ql=1

***IVN    cut  by  1/2  in   1  Y  after  ipo

https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IVN.TO&t=2y&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

***SGQ   full round  trip  80c  - $  18 -  80  c  
$  1.6 B CAP  @  $8  , LIKELY  $  3.5  b CAP AT  TOP
 TO  $  160 M CAP =  20 TIMES  CUT
\
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SGQ.TO&t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

***IVA     sold  at  firesale  price  by  RIO

*** Kyrgyz  gold   sold  at  firesale  price  by  RIO

***Pan  Asia  Petro - total  writedown  folded   into  IVAN

***Sunwing Energy    a  disaster  folded  into  IVAN  
 selling  arm and leg  to  stay  afloat

 H.    CONCLUSION  

A  1  TIME PONY   WHO MILKED    1  TIME   PAST  CENTURY  
LUCK  FOR  18  Y
THOSE  WHO KNEW , THOSE  WERE   A  HYPE  ONLY PLAYS   
AND EXITED  EARLY    MADE  A LOT

THOSE  WHO  BELIEVED IN  MIDAS  TUCH
  AND  LEGEND   OF  ROBERT FRIEDLAND
AND  BLINDLY  FOLLOWED HIM  ALL THE    WAY  TILL 2014
 AND   THE  DIPPERS , BARGAIN HUNTERS  AFTER    EACH  DROP
LOST  A LOT
ABOUT  $  15  B  SO  FAR

BUT ,HEY,    WHAT  IS  HUGE  PROMOTION  BUDGET  FOR ?
   DISTORTORTION / MASSAGE   OF  REALITY    
SO THE  IMAGINED  LEGEND  LIVES  ON

geeeesus 
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