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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Abcourt Mines Inc. V.ABI

Alternate Symbol(s):  ABMBF

Abcourt Mines Inc. is a Canada-based junior mining company. The Company is engaged in gold producer and exploration company with strategically located properties in northwestern Quebec, Canada. Its projects include The Sleeping Giant Mine, Discovery Properties, Flordin Property, The Elder Mine and The Tagami Property, Abcourt-Barvue Project, Vendome Property, Aldermac Property, Jonpol Property... see more

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Abcourt Mines Inc. > Elder NSR
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Post by Geckomeister on Aug 22, 2021 8:53pm

Elder NSR

Alleged ownership of the Elder Mine Net Smelter Return (Royalty)

"2% NSR on the Elder property which was acquired from « Canuc Resources Company » in 2001".
Microsoft Word - Mines Abcourt Q4_ANG.doc (sedar.com) Note 17, p.32.

Oh really? How interesting that Canuc Resources' financial statements for the years 2000 to 2006 are currently not available (at least not on Sedar.com) due to a shortage of funds at that time resulting in Canuc's inability to pay their auditors.

THERE IS CURRENTLY NO PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PROOF THAT CANUC RESOURCES SOLD THE ELDER NSR IN 2001 OR AT ANY OTHER TIME FOR THAT MATTER.

There are at least three possible ways that Renaud Hinse has committed a breech of his duty as CEO of Abcourt Mines Ltd.:

1. If, Decochib Inc. (the Hinse family private entity) did indeed legitimately purchase the Elder NSR from Canuc Resources, then Renaud Hinse acted in his own best interest instead of the best interest of his employer, Abcourt Mines.

2. If, Decochib Inc. did indeed legitimately purchase the Elder NSR from Canuc Resources, then Renaud Hinse failed to issue a public news release informing the shareholders that a "material change" occured that affects Abcourt shareholders, namely the change in ownership of the Elder NSR.

3. Whether or not Decochib purchased the Elder NSR, Abcourt Mines Ltd. and its' CEO owes a fiduciary responsibility to its' shareholders that it has ensured that any NSR royalties owed are indeed being paid to the correct party. Past payments to Decochib Inc. do not constitute proof that Decochib Inc. is the legitimate owner of an Elder NSR. We simply cannot assume that such a thing as an "Elder NSR" ever existed. Not without any proof! Renaud Hinse has not publicly provided documentation that Decochib Inc. owns the Elder NSR, or that an Elder NSR even exists. 

Also, by not disclosing any proof that Decochib Inc. owns the alleged Elder NSR, Renaud Hinse has exposed Abcourt Mines to liability. Abcourt may indeed be negligent in its' responsibility to its' shareholders to establish that "royalties payable" were indeed payable. Shareholders would then be entitled to take legal action against Abcourt Mines. 

Interestingly, according to Abcourt’s 2020/2019 Annual Financial Report, the Elder NSR is 2 to 3%, and “Although the Company has taken steps to identify the royalties on the mining properties, in accordance with industry practices, property titles may be subject to unregistered prior agreements and they can be lost or revoked if regulatory measures are not respected.” 
GetFile.do (sedar.com) Note 8, p.24.

WHAT? What exactly does this mean? Why would Abcourt make such a statement? "Unregistered prior agreements" than "can be lost"? What exactly is going on here? DOES RENAUD HINSE HAVE ANY PROOF AT ALL THAT DECOCHIB EVEN OWNS THE "ELDER NSR"? 

So there we have it: NO PROOF OF SALE and NO PROOF OF PURCHASE. 

Meanwhile, Normand Hinse, the son of Renaud Hinse, is a listed shareholder of Decochib Inc. Normand Hinse is Abcourt Mines' current Chief Financial Officer, and he is a current member of Abcourt Mines' Board of Directors, yet he has no educational credentials or notable experience in the mining or financial industries. Does his dual "responsibilities" to Decochib Inc. and Abcourt Mines Ltd. sound like a "conflict of interest" to you?

Amounts Abcourt has paid in Elder Mine NSR "royalties" from 2013 to 2020:

For the year ended June 30th
2014 $ 183,844
2015 250,172
2016 461,955
2017 442,276
2018 519,193
2019 481,224
2020 479,355
Total $2,818,019

With 2021 figures, soon to be added, the total comes to well over $3 million.

For an NSR with no proof of sale or purchase and that is payable to the private company of the CEO and his CFO son.

If you have any further information regarding the alleged Elder NSR or activities of interest concerning Hinse family members employed by Abcourt Mines Ltd., feel free to send me a private message or to contact me directly.

John Krneta
Vancouver, BC
jkrneta@hotmail.com
604-961-7008
Comment by jmm1228 on Aug 22, 2021 9:44pm
Interesting. Next action that makes sense is to go after the CPAs who have certifified ABIs reports to shareholders.
Comment by JTDOUBLE on Aug 22, 2021 10:11pm
Thanks for the DD Gekco .. 
Comment by Geckomeister on Aug 22, 2021 10:44pm
You're welcome JTDOUBLE. By the way, I have shared all the information that I have assembled on this issue with some well known people in the mining industry (I cannot say who they are at this point), and let's just say that this matter raised a few eyebrows, and is being seriously looked into by very capable people. In a sense, it is out of my hands, and other people (who are not easily ...more  
Comment by simplycanuck on Aug 23, 2021 10:30am
Hello Shareholders My research varies a little on the purchase of these royalties. My research found that the majority of these royalties were purchased in 1997 from Nova Gold Corp. They were all 2% except for claim 4136472 which was 2% + 1%. All royalties were from the 10th level and up and were only on certain claims of the mine. Please note gold was around $340 USD an ounce in 1997 then dropped ...more  
Comment by Geckomeister on Aug 23, 2021 12:55pm
Hi simplycanuck, Could you please provide links for your research? That is contrary to the latest information that Abcourt itself has stated, namely a 2001 purchase from Canuc Resources.  I did see mention of a possible1997 purchase from Nova Beaucage, but the wording was unclear and there was no specific information given. The Elder Mine NI-43-101 has a royalty table which pertains to ...more  
Comment by JTDOUBLE on Aug 23, 2021 2:45pm
Danny shoukd comes out and clarify this NSR issues.. When it was purchased by Abi and from whom ? Hiw much the incurred Cost by Hinse to acquired the NSR .. What are areas of production are covered by NSR ..  With two commercial mining's soon  on the go , the transparency of the output of gold on each mines must be separated.. This is why I kept saying sell the NSR back to Abi . ...more  
Comment by fbedard29 on Aug 23, 2021 3:52pm
Hi I raised the question at an AGM a few years ago on how and when is the NSR was calculated and the answer was that the grade from Elder  was evaluated before the shipment to Sleeping Giant Mine for processing.. I have no clue on how we can evaluate the % of gold in the shipment and when or if the shipment from Elder mine is seperated from the SG mine.  That could be an issue if both ...more  
Comment by simplycanuck on Aug 24, 2021 10:23am
Hi investors My data originally came from my personal notes from my own research over the years and I apologize it was Nova Beaurige not Nova gold corp. This information is in the NEW Abcourt website. Please do not put statements about my intentions such as saying that I am making out Mr. Hinse a White Knight (which these days is politically incorrect) I am simply showing that almost a quarter ...more  
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