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SouthGobi Resources Ltd V.SGQ

Alternate Symbol(s):  SGQRF

SouthGobi Resources Ltd. is an integrated coal mining, development and exploration company. It owns a 100% interest in the Ovoot Tolgoi open pit coal mine (the Ovoot Tolgoi Mine), and in the development projects, the Soumber Deposit and the Zag Suuj Deposit. These projects are located in the Umnugobi Aimag (South Gobi Province) of Mongolia, all of which are located within 150 kilometers (km) of each other and in close proximity to the Chinese-Mongolian border. The Ovoot Tolgoi Mine, strategically located over 40km from the Shivee Khuren-Ceke crossing at the China-Mongolia border (Shivee Khuren Border Crossing), is its flagship asset. The Ovoot Tolgoi Mine has two distinct pits: the Sunrise and Sunset pits. The Soumber Deposit includes Central Soumber, East Soumber, Biluut, South Biluut and Jargalant Fields, is located approximately 20km east of the Ovoot Tolgoi Mine. The Zag Suuj Deposit, located over 150km east of the Ovoot Tolgoi Mine and over 80km north of the Mongolia-China border.


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Comment by GEEEon Aug 16, 2012 7:46am
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Post# 20223566

RE: Not so fast Alex ,Mr Bingguo said 3

RE: Not so fast Alex ,Mr Bingguo said 3



IVN      announced   Q2   today  
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/turquoise-hill-resources-announces-financial-002852938.html
--$289m  =  0.35 ./sh loss  vs  $6 m  gain Q1  2011
--  260 m  sh  dilution =  $  1.8 m    share  sales  +    extra  74 m  warrants  for  RIO
--  spent  $  667  m on OT - plant  &  equip +  exploration only
--  spent  $  5.,2 b on OT  construction to  date  
-  IVN  used  the    SGQ  $26.8  M   change in the fair value of SouthGobi's embedded derivatives  AS  IT'S  OWN  ..  wow  !  -  to offset  above  loses  -re-hipotecation ?
-  phase 1  = 100 kt/d   ore   open pit  almost  complete
--phase  2 = underground  to  a total  160 kt/d    ore   will take  6  Y  and  another  + $  6 b
--Oyu Tolgoi LLC has committed more than $126.0 million in funding over five years for education and training programs in Mongolia

-- IVN  included  in  it's  Q2   a  digest of  SGQ  Q2  report  
--iVN  EXPECTS $ 533- 889M FROM  SALE  OF  IT'S  STAKE  IN  SGQ, depending on other  shareholders  participation
-- upon the  end  of  each  Chalco  extension of  the  bid  they  can:
--  withdraw  the  bid
--  extend  it  again  for  total  180  days   from the date of the offer ( =till Nov  2012)
  to allow time for regulatory processes to be completed , , including Investment Canada Act
and Competition Act approvals, Chinese regulatory approvals, regulatory approvals from the Government of Mongolia,

--  RIO  wants  it's  $  1.8 b  money loaned  to IVN   back ( they  want  to  put  at  risk  
bagholders  money  -  not  their  own.....  LOL)  .Payable  from  proceeds  of planed  Project financing package by December 31, 2012.
 BUT GIVEN  THE  SHOCKWAVES  THE  M  APARATCHICKS  SENT  AMONG  FOREIGN  INVESTORS  , i  DO NOT  SEE  ANYBODY IN  THEIR  RIGHT  MIND  TO  LEND   ANY  MONEY  FOR   M  PROJECTS  
AT  LEAST  TILL  CLARIFICATION AND  EXTRA  GUARANTEES  BY    M .GOV
IN  THAT  CASE  SALE OF  SGQ  WILL BECOME  EVEN MORE  PRESSING  FOR  IVN  TO  AT LEAST  PARTIALLY  PAY  BACK  RIO


Chalco is  the  main entity  keeping  state-owned Mongolian miner Erdenes MGL   ALIVE
 It is  buying  15 million tonnes of coking coal per year from above  Tavan Tolgoi mine ( 70% of M  exports )
 by   giving  them money  way  ahead  , so  they  are  able  to  mine  the  coal
  and   to  distribute  the  profits  to population in  form of  divy/ welfare  cheques.


So, stabbing  Chalco  by  aparatchiks  on SGQ   may  have  also  those  consequences :
* Erdenes MGL   can  end  up  going  under if  they  force  Chalco  to  be as   nasty as they  are  ..... in  response  

* M coal  exports  can  colapse  
  *and    no welfare  cheques  to people  who  hate  the very  Chalco  who makes  them possible   

=====================

Alex , by  VOLUNTARILY  STOPPING  PRODUCTION inflicted  more  loses  on  M  gov  than  on  SGQ  
Say, SGQ  net   profits  are 13%  of  rev  and   M  royalties  on SGQ  rev  are  also  13% (  another  M  scam - but separate topic)
So , both  lose  13%  (  about  $  25 m /y )  
But  M  gov  loses    much more  (  say  $  35m/y  on top  of  $25 m )  on payroll tax of  1000 workers ,
+ VAT on the  $  250m /y  the  workers  don't  spend  /make / invest
+ , export  duties , taxes  of  truckers  and  contractors   and  other  fees  /charges.
The  usual  spinn-off  effect   on  wider  economy  by a  business is  3  times  it's  rev .
We  are  talking  $  700m /y pain for  everybody  in M   vs  $  960 m   SGQ stake  buying  value.
Geeeesus   
MEANWHILE , SGQ  enjoys  a  rise  by   $  26 m  /  Q    of  their  CONVERT derivatives   ..by  doing  nothing
LOOOL


CLARIFICATION OF  ALEX  CONTRADICTORY  AND  CONFUSING  SATEMENTS  ABOUT  SOME  SGQ LICENCES.


THE  MAIN MINING  PERMIT  IS  NOT  SUSPENDED
ALEX  QUOTE   FROM  Q2  REPORT
"As at August 13, 2012, the Company has not received any official notification to suspend exploration and mining activity and has no reason to believe SouthGobi's licenses are not in good standing."


The  scared, paralyzed  bureaucrats  ( coruption trial of  top official- they  can  be  next   
  and change / non-existence   of   M gov )  chose  the  only  thing  to  safely  survive  : TO  DO  NOTHING
No  decisions  which   can  be  fatal  for  them  if   not in  ( unclear ) line  with  new people  at   top ,
No permits  , no answering  SGQ  letters  for  clarificatioin -   just  waiting  to  see
Bureaucrats  DIDN'T  TAKE  AWAY  ANYTHING  FROM  SGQ  ,
 THEY JUST  DIDN'T  GIVE  SGQ  THE   NEW  ,   DUE , ADDITIONAL  LICENCES/ RENEWALS   AND PERMITS    SGQ  NEEDS  TO  GROW
( new  mining   and exploration  permits  for  new  areas  ,  new wash plant  permit   etc. )

Bureaucracy  was  frozen  for  4 months  -  there  was  no  one  to  talk to  about  the  SGQ  stake  sale    either.

ADDITIOINAL NEWEST  CLUE   THIS  PARALYSIS  IS   ENDING

The  new  structure  of  gov  includes  reducing  number of  gov agencies  from  43  to  28  but  expanding number of  ministers  
We  don't  know  which  ones  will stop  to  exist  , but  elegant  solution  would  be  
 chopping  off the  MRAM   agency  -  the  one  refusing  the  issue  of  more  permits  to  SGQ  and  the  one  sued  by  SGQ
Shifting  the   authority  to  IE   ministry  level -= new  people  ,new  procedures , new  start.
All that  should  happen  within next  week    so, Chalco  / IVN can    finally   have a place  to  apply for  deal  approval .

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Couple  more  reasons    in  addition to  4  here  
https://www.stockhouse.com/Bullboards/MessageDetail.aspx?p=0&m=31384903&l=0&r=0&s=SGQ&t=LIST
why Alex  is  going out of  his  way  to  harm  SGQ  SP ( looks like  his  job  description  lately  as CEO   hmmmm )  

1,   he  has been  told  by Chalco  they  will withdraw  - NOT LIKELY  because    Alex  said
  Chalco  didn't  contact him in  a month    and  he  stressed  it is  his  "personal opinion"


2. He  knows/ feels  he  will be  removed  by  RIO and  is  paying  them  back
RIO  just  2  days  ago  finished  installing  new  directors  at  IVN  and  maybe  they  will now  move 1 level  lower   and  install their  pople  at  SGQ   & IVN  Au  
So,  Alex  is  responding   with  scorched earth  tactics .
His  decission on voluntarily  stopping  production  could  infuriate  RIO
( escalate  the  stand-off  with nasty   gov , besides losing money  ) and  they  are  about  to  fire  him
Or  not  ....we  just  see  a tip  of  an iceberg  as  the  machinations , 'plays" , short  rides    are   concerned
 


3,  If  I'll  go  anyways,  why  not  make  a  side  deal  with  a  short  rider  -  for  say  10%  of  his  profits   
(Reuters , AS  NO  OTHER OFFICIAL SGQ  NEWS  RELEASE,  bombarded  the  wires  repeteadly
 -like  5  times   during  the  day of  22%   drop.....
...broadcasting THE  SAME  article  containing  Alex'  "personal opinion"
geeeeesus  
Finding out  who paid  Reuters  (or the  author )for  such  repeated  posting  would  be  interesting  
Mess  indeed

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