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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Woulfe Mining Corp WFEMF

Woulfe Mining Corp is a mineral exploration company. It is engaged in the acquisition, exploration and development of mineral properties.

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Post by 74volfram on Jul 30, 2015 11:51pm

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So many questions ... and we all have our own bias to come up with answers and make judgements.  So I will speak just for myself when I say that: 1) whether or not Almonty has used insider information to time the merger request, or 2) what was the real reason for the January "merger interruptus", or 3) whether Dundee management has been malicious against shareholders or just incompetent, in the end these are all fairly minor issues with respect to the merger option at hand.  To put it "chrisply", it is water under the bridge.  
As for me again, in considering the merits of the proposed merger I would look strictly at the "what's next" business side of things: will my common shares be worth more in one year (or whatever time I have in mind) with or without this merger?
Having gotten that out of the way, I find the above issues raised repeatedly in several posts, to be still quite interesting from an analytical point of view and worth discussing. So here it goes:

1) Why was the new merger offer disclosed right after the new FS?
- Almonty did not use the new FS in its website presentation (done before merger offer).
- There are actually three relevant FS, all somewhat connected.  The latest FS (#3) is probably a mix of the old Tetra Tech FS (#1)  and the January AMC FS (#2).
- In January Almonty was good already with the merger based on the AMC FS
- Almonty will probably want to have its own study (FS#4 based on FS#3?) done before starting construction.
My answer: As a corporate type in a cut-throat technical business, if I was going to put 40% of my company at stake in a sale, I would make 200% sure to get all the the information available, and then some, about my acquisition target. The sequenced approach that Almonty took in gaining control of WOulfe (loan, equity, directors, CEO and merger offer) was both aggressive and smart.  I would want more of that, not less, once they are in charge of my shares.

2) Why was the first merger offer turned down?  
I do not know what really went on of course.  I can only speculate as to what I think may have happened, based on what I have read.
- We were not quite sure if the offer was turned down by WOulfe or terminated by Almonty.  Judging from the language, at the time I thought it was Woulfe that turned down the offer.
- Reading the actual clauses in the new proposal, which we now have in full, and assuming they were the same as in the first attempt: Woulfe would have had to pay a penalty for turning down the proposal in January, which did not happen.  
- The SP reaction to the termination of the first merger attempt was not positive, which leads me to believe that the first merger attempt was in fact "interrupted" by Almonty.
- While Woulfe could have asked for a better valuation (which we know was not the case because they are accepting essentially the same deal now), ALmonty could have objected to terms of the off-take agreement, once they were disclosed to them in the due diligence.  
- We have never been told what the actual full terms of the IMC off-take deal are.  we know the off-take is for 90% at least of the mine output and we have rumors that there is a 10% discount off the going tungsten price. If this is the best discount Wesson was able to negotiate in 2012, it may have been acceptable in those good days of $400 APT.  now not so much.  
- Almonty's Black says it was a matter of timing only, and the merger offer was never really off the table. The guy strikes me as a fairly straight shooter.  So maybe Almonty just wanted to have time to prepare for summer negotiations with IMC and /or get an alternate off-taker ready.  The interview of Black is quite clear as how he wants to approach IMC.
My answer: In the end, the present merger offer is almost exactly the same as the first offer, so there is little reason to second guess Black's statement.  We get 40% of the combined company, which is at the low of the range for the January merger proposal, but without the collar, which is better than the original proposal.  And Almonty already has 8% of Woulfe shares (16% diluted).

3) Has Dundee willfully harmed shareholders during its management at Woulfe?
- Dundee has spent $20M+ on Woulfe, more than any single investor.  
- For all that they have very little to show for it at this point to their shareholders, let alone to us.  the market worth of their Woulfe shares and Almonty Shares is less than 5M and a substantial number of new shares has been printed diluting the existing Woulfe share-holders.
- I am always wary to accuse people of evil intentions and willful wrongdoings when simple incompetence may be sufficient to explain.  but I agree that the last two years of Dundee management have been more bad than good for the common WOF shareholders.  
- When I joined the stockhouse bb, I thought Dundee were low-key hands-off managers quietly and efficiently developing the mine in difficult market conditions, and I liked that.  I started to change my mind about Dundee when Woulfe management did not publicly release the FS (#2) in January, then "terminated" the merger without explanation and stuffed the board in February, and in March finally became obvious that whatever little they were doing in Korea was not going well with the locals.
My answer: As Gaston notes, Dundee "could have made more money by playing it straight and developing the mine", and that probably was the original intention of Ned Goodman, but greed and incompetence got in the way.  Which was worse at this point does not really matter. To their credit, Dundee did not smother the shareholders with one final PP last year but agreed to hand over the reins to ALmonty instead.
Comment by steamerlane on Jul 31, 2015 9:42am
Let me respond concerning Dundee.Am I to believe Dundee gave money to WOF?No,he didn't.There were loans made,and money invested in WOF,but Dundee didn't"spend" anything,in the sense of giving money to WOF.As far as making more money by"playing it straight",exactly what does that entail?More loans?I would think any investor needs a plan in place,with limits on how much ...more  
Comment by chizzles on Jul 31, 2015 10:16am
Volfram, always enjoy reading on what you think on all issues. What to you make of all of the trading lately? Especially that most of it seems to be the same buyer and same seller. Do you view this as a good or bad thing? I do realize that on the overall picture, it isn't a huge amount of shares but for Woulfe, it is a lot of activity. And around a million shares a day for a few straight days ...more  
Comment by kilgor on Jul 31, 2015 2:41pm
I agree steamerlane, and to further add to your points, this wasn't incompetence on Dundee's part. This was strategically planned.  This is not Dundee's first rodeo in the mining space. Dundee's track record with our company was not to get us to produciton, but to increase their ownership through various tactics including share dilution. Dundee put bean counters ...more  
Comment by steamerlane on Jul 31, 2015 4:05pm
That just about covers it.I do think Almonty wants to move forward and open the mine.What I am concerned about is,when will that happen?So far,the company(WOF)doesn't seem to think releasing any details of ongoing discussions,is necessary,so the average investor can only guess what is happening.Much of the time companies will release PR's about any progress,just to stir interest in the ...more  
Comment by kilgor on Jul 31, 2015 4:53pm
Agreed.... their actions are very questionable. What they said they would do, they didn't do. Their dealings with everyone over the past few years with the local gov't in South Korea, the services of companies they did business with and us shareholders. Their actions speaks volumes. They did more to keep this gem low key and not attract any attention that would boost the share price. They ...more  
Comment by chrisp6712 on Jul 31, 2015 7:54pm
Until the merger is accepted or rejected, I'm not sure they can release any information. Any discussions with investors, suppliers, permit agencies, etc. are contingent on the merger being approved.
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