RE: By the way, Shall, Crabby is what Would be nice to know what the details of the loan are to really get an understanding how much we are benefitting from the recent gold price. Does anyone know if these loan details are usually made available when Barrick is involved? Anyways, still like the fact that the last PP was at 75 cents and gold price is much higher now then when then loan was completed. These non recourse loans can get ugly for the JV if the price of gold actually goes done, so better gold is up then down.