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BCE Inc. is a Canada-based communications company. The Company provides wireless and fiber networks. The Company operates through one segment: Bell Communication and Technology Services (Bell CTS). Bell CTS segment provides a range of communication products and services to consumers, businesses and government customers across Canada. Its wireless products and services include mobile data and voice plans and devices and are available nationally. Its wireline products and services comprise data (including Internet access, Internet protocol television (IPTV), cloud-based services and business solutions), voice, and other communication services and products, which are available to its residential, small and medium-sized businesses and large enterprises customers primarily in Ontario, Quebec, the Atlantic provinces and Manitoba. This segment includes its wholesale business, which buys and sells local telephone, long-distance, data, and other services from or to resellers and other carriers.


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Post by gilbert3on Jul 02, 2007 12:41pm
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A hidden tax in the new Dividend Gross Up?

A hidden tax in the new Dividend Gross Up?I thought that I should post this on the BCE BullBoards since a lot of their investors rely on the Dividend and Interest payments. Is there a hidden tax in the new Dividend gross up of 45%? Dividend Income or Interest Income, which is better? Comparing the taxation of Dividend Income (2005 & 2006) to Interest Income. We will use Interest Income as a benchmark. We will use rounded numbers and Alberta and Fed Tax rates. Tax brackets $1 to $36,000 @ 25% (15% Fed + 10% Alberta). $36,001 to $72,000 @ 32% (22% Fed + 10% Alberta). Example A. Interest Income: $36,000 - 25% tax (36,000 x 25% = 9,000) -$9,000 $27,000 will be the benchmark. Example B. Dividend Income 2005: The Dividend gross up was 25% The Dividend Tax Credit (DTC) was 13.33% Fed + 6.67% Alberta = 20% To be taxed at $36,000 you would have received $28,800 in Dividends. $28,800 x 1.25 Dividend gross up = $36,000 of taxable income $36,000 x -25% tax (36,000 x 25% = 9,000) = -$9,000 $36,000 x +20% DTC (36,000 x 20% = 7,200) = +$7,200 You will pay $1,800 more in taxes (-9,000 + 7,200 = -1,800). You received $28,800 in Dividends minus $1,800 in taxes owed = $27,000. This is the same as Example A, Interest Income. Example C. Dividend Income 2006: The dividend gross up was 45% The dividend tax credit (DTC) was 18.5% Fed + 6.5% Alberta = 25% To be taxed at $36,000 you would have received $24,800 in Dividends. $24,800 x 1.45 Dividend gross up = $36,000 of taxable income $36,000 x 25% tax (36,000 x 25% = 9,000) = -$9,000 $36,000 x 25% DTC (36,000 x 25% = 9,000) = +$9,000 The result is zero taxes owed. You received $24,800 in Dividends owe zero taxes is $24,800 This compared to the benchmark of $27,000 - $24,800 = -$2,200 difference. This is also the same difference compared to Example B, Dividend Income 2005. What happen to the missing $2,200? So, in Example C, Dividend Income 2006: You received $24,800 and taxed at $36,000. Then, the real tax rate is 31% not 25% even though you are still in lowest tax bracket. Example D, $28,800 of Dividend Income 2006: $28,800 o Dividend Income: -$24,800 will be the lower tax bracket of 25% $4,000 will be in the next tax bracket of 32% (22% Fed + 10% Alberta) The first $24,800 will have zero taxes owed as in Example C. $4,000 x 1.45 = $5,800 taxable income @ 32% (5,800 x 32% )= -$1,850 $5,800 x 25% DTC (5,800 x 25%) +$1,450 Net is -$1,850 + $1,450 = -$400 owed in taxes So, you received $28,800 in Dividend Income minus $400 taxes owed = $28,400. This compared to $41,800 of Interest Income: $36,000 will be taxed @ 25% -$9,000 $5,800 will be taxed @ 32% = -$1,850 $41,800 - $9,000 -$1,850 = $34,650 Using this, you are better off with Interest Income or Dividend Income 2005. The new Dividend gross up of 45% will give less net income. You will be taxed 6% higher in each tax bracket as well as the amount of taxable room. This will hurt Seniors more because of the OSA crawl back. I hope this isn't the tax fairness that Mr. Flaherty wanted when he decided to kill the Income Trusts in 2011? A simple fix is to go back to the old Dividend Gross Up of 25% and Dividend Tax Credit of 20%. Please forward this to anyone who own Dividend Stocks. Thanks
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