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BetaPro Natural Gas Leveraged Daily Bull ETF T.HNU

Alternate Symbol(s):  HNUZF

HNUs investment objective, is to seek daily investment results, before fees, expenses, distributions, brokerage commissions and other transaction costs, that endeavour to correspond to up to two times 200 Percentage the daily performance of the Horizons Natural Gas Rolling Futures Index the Underlying Index, Bloomberg ticker CMDYNGER. HNU is denominated in Canadian dollars. Any US dollar gains or losses as a result of HNUs investment are hedged back to the Canadian dollar to the best of its ability. The Fund To be successful in meeting its investment objective during the period, HNUs net asset value should have gained up to two times as much on a given day, on a percentage basis, as its Underlying Index rose on that given day. Conversely, HNUs net asset value should have lost up to two times as much on a given day, on a percentage basis, as its Underlying Index declined on that given day.


TSX:HNU - Post by User

Post by upmarketson Aug 25, 2009 11:02am
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Post# 16247041

on achievable HNU gain and buying HND

on achievable HNU gain and buying HND

Tgar- re  past action in HOU

Per his post( friday )  that it took time for the oil contango to shrink and it was possible  to
not have HOU rise
-Hopefully Tgar did better with timing   than to make  a pittance with HOU

See   wtic and HOU  charts  at  stockcharts 

If one takes seasonal time for entering oil
We see it is end of Feb   ( a little later than the 35 low in Dec)

and oil was about 37 in  late Feb  and hnu  dipped under 5  to 4's

charts suggest one might have bought HNU  say at 4.90 ish late Feb
(yes  a bit of time AFTER  the Dec low and turn in  oil  and then shrinkage in  Contango)

Then  oil ran to 73 ish early   June  with  a  peak at 11.05 ish  for  HOU

so say you sold  HOU  at  10.50

 So you could have made  in the order of ( say and only ) 115% on  HOU  ( 4.90 to 10.50 )
( or a bit more % than oil itself  went up)

There were also some dips in there so it shows  one should not hold right thru for 5 months
ie   Sell  and rebuy on dips

SO any plans  to ever   hold the Beta for even 6 months  is foolhardy
( for a futures based product  and in a commoditiy that is seasonal
( again 6 mo  patterns )
................................

 now   on to  HNU

So you can say the best you can do with HNU  is  150% from the bottom
if   you  catch it ( but then wide Contango  hurts you )

So   anticipate  say  100ish %  likely achievable max on  HNU
 And out by  Dec 1st 
 and then  a re-entry and out  by  Feb  say for another 15%

So most of you who  averaged  down  may breakeven ( likely at best)( and not make anything )

And likely only when/if  contango moderates
as Tgar  indicates ( eg  Nov N G  future needs to  slip  to say   3.75  first )

Ie  if you buy right at bottom and before some sideways drift
( which can give time for  Contango to shrink) you don't make as much
Tgar suggests you wait  for some sideways time

Just shows it is always tough  with futures and somewhat stacked against you

SO bottom line summary of Tgar's details  is :    you can  enter TOO EARLY
( you need to give a chance for Contango to narrower)

Humm  all that work  to make a possible  100%  on   WTIC  or  N G   future

And is  more  info to prove :  averaging down doesn't help much.
You can't be  EARLY !

 
Timing is crucial  -enter a  little AFTER the turn ,   not likely  before

Might as well just play a stock  or a 1x commodity  or   consider a swing on a  call option
on a stock or index for  100%
Or try your 2 day swing trade on other commodity Betas

Then   watch for N G contango to shrink and enter HNU  ( ie could be end Sept into Oct )

And seems to me  the  OCt price is the continuous contract  on $natgas Gallery view
and we can test 2.90  (from today's 3.24 ish )   on that  And then down hard
at end of Sept ( "no bid")

I had suggested the other day to  wait at least 2 weeks for HNU and  now  I think longer
( see below)

the unusual factor  with such a high fill level completed ( this year )
  seems to  be that there has been no fall off  in  injection rate with the
hedged sales/deliveries by the majors
And  there may not be till near the end  in Oct ( as mentioned in the media )

Seems like  buying  HND  , for a day or 2 , each week for next  8 weeks
while  approaching end of  injection season  is  a play
NG spot can dive  in  Oct ( "no bid" ) when  storage fills  and  and then HNU slides
and HND  rises

An unusual change in industrial demand or  major supply  disaster in 6 weeks ( or unlikely
falloff in injection ) would seem to be only reason we would get a turn up before mid Oct

And if  HNU goes to 2.45 ish  ,   Horizon  hopefully will rush to get a rollback done
It will be more attractive  ( for me ) to buy / trade with the lower commission per share
(  say  late Sept - early Oct ? )
( In early July I had thought/suggested Labour day was the seasonal buy time but this year
it is likely  unusually  delayed a bit later

( As I read  Fridays headers following my drafting this and ready to post ,
 there seems some  similar thinking?)

While in the long term  certainly NG will be  higher  but  it can still be "weak for weeks"

Comments?  Seems what's going to  happen  .  Important to focus/discuss

Hummm  Norm Levine  on Market Call  thinks  same  way in general - no ( industrial) DEMAND = wait on t:GAS

Tempting to buy/trade  HND  by Wed   on   weakness  ?
( why SHOULDN'T  $natgas dip on Thursday? )
Dave King is thinking

ALSo waiting to see if  $WTIC  climbs to 75-76  soon   ,  to consider HOD

Humm  Tues  early market for NG  is  down  so could use another pop in NG  to then buy HND

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