Thundermin requires.......lots and lots of patience. I have traded (not day traded) Thundermin since 1978 , when it was Joutel Resources , and they have always had very long periods of baselining on the charts. We used to draw and update our charts on graph paper , and lots of calculations to apply primitive technical studies to the patterns. My early computers saved that data on cassette tape in the late 80,s and that was a freakin nightmare ! Just ask anybody who did it. And had to write your own programs to make it all happen ! Well , enough feeling sorry for myself , we`ve come a long way , it`s so wonderful today , paradise , charting , that is. Anyway , when THR runs it will run hard , probably harder that it has ever run , due to the commodity based market we are in today. Measure the baseline , then measure up the same distance to get a rough approximation as to how far , allowing for bombs , assasinations , etc. Fundamentals will inject their influence just when the party gets going good. Someone always calls the law. It`s raining in Chatham, Ontario , so thought I would type this. Love you all , blah , blah , blah.