WOW FOCUS Hello MrsDoughtfire. Almost missed your calm, quiet post, but welcome to the forum. What PUMPERS are you referring to? You are obviously a long ,as we are, so hang on. The newbies, and a couple of longs are very testy about our dislike of insider PUMPERS, and their denial of some disturbing YNG facts. We have all lost bigtime, but Artie is the " loser leader", up to now. I share your feelings about Richard. He may change when we all get bashed with the first qtr Financials. Welcome, and goodnight. ICE