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Comment by GEEEon Jul 11, 2010 12:00am
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Post# 17260183

RE: readying $400m for $10m claims

RE: readying $400m for $10m claimsSo ,let me try again  a bit different  ,  from previous one, assessment.

1.HBM is  a king in this mineral province and is  determined to be even bigger  king  there, for next 50-100 Y.
Three- four  times bigger  in Manitoba  and  5-6 times  overall.
I am impressed with HBM  expansion projects..This  co is  going places.

Though bit slow  for people's  'instant gratification" taste .

2. Their $ 450 m capex  LALOR  deposit is  as big (and rich in Au) as their existing resource.
So,I assume  Larlor will double their  revenues   .
The RL JV doesn't make  sense to HBM if it will not produce  IN THEIR ASSESSMENT
at least  1/2  what LALOR will produce. Therefore my guess , they are prepared  to invest  at least  $240 m in RL development.

So ,the  first step  ( RL JV ) shall produce APPARENTLY a mine the size of   1/2 of HBM' at least..
1/2  HBM cap = 800-900m  .
So, in first step of  development  VMS  cap  should  be   $ 300m =  $ 2.5./sh


KNOWING, that no matter  where PPS  will go in between- it will end up in the  end   several hundreds %% higher  
gives me  a  comfort, safety net , and ability to ignore  short term noise


Of course  RL JV can be  much bigger, say as big as Lalor  or existing HUB resource.

We don't know it now , except that RL   has very high grade intercepts.
Likely much higher HBM ever had .
In that case  we are looking at VMS $ 5 /sh just based on first step = RE JV.

3. HBM is APPARENTLY PREPARED to throw at the  4 extra  claims $ 166 m EACH.= $ 664m
In  this  scenario ,I am taking the high road,  interpreting ( in light of no post disputing otherwise)
the CEO quote  as  " EACH DEPOSIT".

CEO Quote "
"HudBay financing VMS’s share of expenditures for the first $50 million for each deposit."

$ 50m = 30% of  total spending , so, total spending for  EACH DEPOSIT = $ 166m
= $ 664 for all 4.
That suggests ,in HBM opinion ,those 4 deposits have as big potential as LALOR or  all their  existing resource  size, or as much as core  RL JV.

Maybe not so long bet , if they are APPARENTLY ready to throw at it $ hundreds of millions.


Spending ,condition to find anything worth spending. on ,of  course.

Say ,their  success rate  will be 50%., so, 2 deposits will go into production.
Again, the  size of  prod  can not be lower than 1/3 - 1/2  the  existing HBM production ,to make  sense for them

4. SUMMARY SCENARIOS :

A.) RL JV = 1/2 of  HBM's today's revenue= cap $ 800-900m = VMS cap $250-300m = $ + 2 /sh

B). RL JV as big rev as HBM's today = VMS PPS  $ +4/ sh

C. expanded later JV to those 4 claims =   expanded  JV rev  by another 50%  of today's HBM = by $ 2 VMS /sh

D.  expanded later JV to those 4 claims =   expanded  JV rev  by another 100%  of today's HBM = by $ 4 VMS /sh

FINAL COMBINATION OF ABOVE  4  SCENARIOS ; VMS PPS  RANGE $ 2-  $8.
$ 4 MEDIAN
....BUT  IT WILL TAKE  MANY YEARS  TO GET THERE .

The worst scenario, they will find NOTHING in those 4 claims  and RL will be smaller , say 1/4 - 1/3 of  today's HBM
RL 1/4 = $ 400m cap = $120m, VMS  cap = $ 1 /sh
RL 1/3 = $   560m cap =  $170 m VMS cap= $ 1.4 /sh

All that without counting VMS own activity , Ni. company spin-off  etc. ( add 10-20c /sh )


Compare to today's valuation  of  all above  to   $ 15 m market value  ( $ 30m cap minus $ 15 m cash )  
geeeeeesus
.

5. HBM  financing VMS portion of   capex  up to $ 50 m EACH  = up to $ 200m ALL ?? for the 4  deposits
Plus ,say $ 80 m for RL
( if RL spending just $ 240 m)

Total HBM APPARENT  financing of  30% VMS portion  is  either $ 280m ( if EACH deposit) or  $ 130m (if $ 50 m for ALL deposits )

That suggest HBM APPARENT READINESS TO THROW AT  THE VMS CLAIMS is  $ 840m to $ 400m


Let's cal it APPARENT READINESS instead of  APPARENT COMMITMENT -though contracts are  signed  and  sealed.

An investment of  $ 400- 840 m suggest a mine the  size of  1x  to 2 x  the  existing HBM.


$ 400m -800m ready to be thrown at FRACTION of claims own by co . valued at $ 15 m ??? (less cash)
geeeeesus .


This  market values VMS  claims being subject to HBM JV at $ 10 m (less cash and other properties)
While  HBM values  VMS claims as being worth throwing at them  $$ hundreds of  millions
geeesus.

Who  is  a total nut here?
Who makes  a 1000% mistake in judgment ?
The  Joe - Blow?
Or HBM, which sits on $900m cash ,produces good profits , is in better financial shape than TCK or  any  gold  co you name.
Last time  I yelled so loud  ...geeesus  ..a  steal..... was at  similar metrics ....,GCE 60-90 cents.


6. NOW THE  DEDUCTIONS  FROM ABOVE  ROSY  PIPE  DREAM.

The  HBM financing of VMS portion of  development expenses is  a form of very friendly ,flexible  debt.
VMS will show nice  EPS , which will go towards    repayment.
That may make the 'market" to keep lower P/E for VMS than for HBM.
So, for  safety sake we have to reduce  above  PPS  projections by say 20-30%
Means 80c in worst case, $ 3 in median case  and  $ 6 best case.

The  repayment from cash flow of RL mine will look like this:
HBM CF is 240m/Y
If RL will be 1/2  HBM , the VM|S CF will be $ 40m /y
If RL will be  as big as HBM , the  VMS  CF will be $ 80m/y
If RL + the 4 claims will grow later to  1.5 HBM , the VMS  CF  will be  $ 120m,

The  repayment ( before tax) seems possible in 2-3 years and then ...a free CF cow  for next 20 + years.

VMS may also start to pursue their own properties more  aggressively , means they can
dilute  to rise money for own projects.
Though in next year, maybe even 2  , they do not need to do that.
Or  wait for the  JV CF to use it for  growth.
The  dilution can be more  neutral on PPS  or  pretty beneficial for  rising PPS  ,depending on
project success.
So, dilution can go both ways.

Without bothering with details ,just cut all above numbers in half ....and you still have pretty compelling valuation.

Plenty assumptions ?   eh ? .. at this  stage .... yes  
But the  assumptions  are  straight forward and just a common sense..

BOTTOM LINE:
Valuing  VMS  JV @ $ 10m , while the very  JV partner APPARENTLY values it at
multiples of that , is the inefficient market opportunity here.
My main question is : "is RL JV going to be  as big as HBM (
in that case i have to throw  at VMS  $ 10m  ; -:) , or  just 1/4 of  HBM? ( in that case I can throw at VMS only $ 1m ; -: ) 

The manipulation of  low  trading volume is  separate issue though.
And can work both ways.
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