RE: Re TorchIn all seriousness, we are all here hoping to make some $$ but the new group has not dispersed any info. as of yet. VD, you seem to have some sort of perspective as to when will something good be released? I'm not even sure if they have raised a penny in the debenture, no one knows. Do you have a prediction as to when Hogans will let us know something? Its getting pretty bleak and very hard to stay positive.