Just for fun...so I called SOC given the number on their website: 778.373.5499
It's Ken's cell phone...LOL....then give CAN a call...CAN is a totally different breed and league of company. BTW, Ken sounds like a slim ball, just listen to his message.
I say CAN holders just call Ken and ask him some of these questions on here. Lets talk to the grocer himself, I will later today!!!