truegold I,ll iam saying is in this environment everything is down and the only way now is to hold on to them until they rebound in the future, as for me i not retireing for a while so i will wait, and iam only wishful thinking that they might go back up to 4.50-5.00, so i can sleep better at nights because right now like every one else in the metal plays right now they are all down. So i will hold on for the long term.Peace.