RE: info ORV Thanks for the info Tomander. Yes I will also give the new management the benefit of the doubt. I am still disapointed that good ol' Carlos is still kicking around though. The guy could not figure out the solution himself, and it took the expertise of others to make a quick analysis and decision. He must have friends in high places as there is no way incompetence like that should be tolerated. UMZ inaction almost single handedly brought down this company.