got my answer....gotta read more:) no kiddin....11 percent only,,,makes for a narrow profit margin alrighty once you factor that 8 percent payout...hey,,,I guess they compare to GIC's...at 3 percent gain..:)..wouldn't it have been easier to sell this company to any reasonable takers or simply just do share buy-backs,,,,trust me,,,,friends and family of the insiders sold this pig a while back and rebought today,,,covered big time...loserrrrrrrrrrrssssssss....... i'm loaded on this pig for now..cost of 17.50 per share on average.....ouch.....bt