RE: Rim same as Nortel RIM is not Nortel, as a few minutes of DD would demonstrate. They are both Canadian companies. That's about where the similarities end.
Yes, they're experiencing losses. Yes, no new products for Christmas. Tell us something we didn't know many months ago! The market is a forward-looking mechanism. Your negative points were priced in long ago.
Right now RIM is priced as a sum of its parts, not as a going concern. And even as a sum of its parts, I think the valuation is significantly lower than it should be.