Knowall I know is my statistics - when I sell at a loss it moves higher and when I hold it keeps falling and falling - it is testing my patience this time - darn what would happen to me if this drops to zero - cannot rule that out. Only hope now is that S&P500 can only go higher to a point and then once a reversal starts and markets always look for an opportunity to correct - then this can go back by up to $7 - so this is on the assumption that the positive turnaround starts at $5 - and it does not fall below 5