In For a Penny..I'll be holding my position even though I've thought about ditching on Monday but I know the phone and operating system are second to none,so,perception will take a little time but all the i phone users I know are dreading the ios upgrade and have seen BB in action and they are always in awe, so I'll ride the storm and hold and wait for the recovery and OS to Gain traction,especially with the new Z30,and BBM being launched. Jobs will recover when inventory starts dwindling and the OS catches up..Might have to turn off the computer though till the new year...LOL..Bert..Maybe BB will finally get a marketing wiz before Christmas...