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Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd. T.TRQ

Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd is a global mining company that primarily mines copper, gold, and coal in the Asia-Pacific region. The company holds a 66% interest in Oyu Tolgoi, one of the world's largest copper-gold-silver mines, which ships concentrate to customers in China. Oyu Tolgoi is located in the South Gobi region of Mongolia, approximately 550 km south of the capital, Ulaanbaatar, and 80 km north of the Mongolia-China border. The company also holds interests in companies that mine...


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Post by GEEEon Jan 03, 2014 8:52am
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Post# 22055251

Is R.Friedland betting on Turquoise Hill Res. SP downfal?

Is R.Friedland betting on Turquoise Hill Res. SP downfal?
Robert Friedlans's  crumbling  Ivanhoe   empire  Part 1

Eulogy  for  a billionaire no more
The  truth  vs. the  legend  
and  the   tens of  $$ billion   loses  by  the investors  who
kept believing  in his   " golden-turned- toxic - touch "
for  few  years  too long.

======================
   A ...CAUTIONARY  NOTES  
RF  or  RMF  = Robert  Martin Friedland
This  is  just  crude  introduction , scraching  just the  top of  the iceberg
Numbers  are  aporoximate  and  subject  to future  corrections /details.
To reduce  the  number  of the  many  assumptions and to paint detailed  story
one  needs  months of  investigative  journalism and  army of  foresenic  accountants
Wich  is  beyound  scope  of   this  - our  opinion only -  introduction.
We claim safe  harbour and claim the  right  to  use   as  colorful
exxuberant  phrases  as   RFM .
Some    quoted  facts  and  statements  are  taken at  face  value
Authors  of  those publications  ( as  well as  we )  could  have  gotten  them
 in various  degrees on rigth- wrong  scale .
Most  of  our text is  just  copy and paste  of  easy  avaliable  
   stuff on the  Internet.
.Our  role is just  to organise it, connect the  dots
discover  the bigger picture, and draw the conclusions.
 With an  attempt  to look at the  RF  story beyond   smoke  and mirror ,
 BS, hype ,and  " legend".
At  any  given time  we  may  be  short  or  long  or  both   the  various  RF  companies .
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 B.   COMPARE  RF  TO OTHER  BILLIONAIRES

Ernest Hemingway,  said   about the  way  a men goes   bankrupt   
"first  gradually  ..and  then  suddenly "
Exactly  as  the   price  charts  of  RF  cos  ,
 and  his  own  wealth  chart  go.

On Forbes  list there  is   a little  bar  chart  showing
the  rise  and fall   of  his  net worth.
https://www.forbes.com/profile/robert-friedland/


March  2008   $  1.4 B
March  2009  $ 1.65 B
March  2010  $ 2B
March  2011  $ 3.4 B =PEAK  OF COMMODITY BUBBLE  
Sep 2011  $  2.8 B
March  2012  $  2.3 B
Sep  2012  $ 1.3 B
March  2013  $  1.85 B
Sep  2013    $  1.15  B
March  2014       ..see below    looks  like   1/.4  to 1/3    the  legend  of  2010
$  2.5 b air  bubble   evaporating.
8- 10 years back in time   to  $ 1 B  ,,but    what is  $ 1 B   nowdays É
It  can not  buy  what  it  used  to   in  2003

By   9/17/2013   RF  landed    with  #  1.15 b  in    below  category
"Declined, Diminished, Died: The 31 Ex-Billionaires
 Who Fell Off The FORBES 400"

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 C.   The  relative   RF  decline is  even worse  
Others  and  more  of  them   each Y, advance  fast .
 Forbes  400  gained  300b in last  Y = 17%
RF   declined  9%  Sep- Sep  and counting
Among only  9% of the  400  who  declined  IN THE BEST  STOCK MARKET IN DECADE.
geeesus
The Forbes 400 have more than doubled their money since 2003,
GAINED  $  1 TRILLION IN WEALTH
Bob  took  a  round  trip -  has fallen back  to 2003  level .
SO ,AVERAGE  GUY ON 400 LIST  DID  TWICE  BETTER THAN BOB.

D.   Bob  of course  did  at least  twice  better    as those investors  ,
who blindly  followed  the  `legend`lol  = his  public  only   cos.
(just  10Y of  his lifestyle  could  cost   say $ 100m  he  made  and  spend )
If  his  10Y  score  is  near  ZERO
 how  big negative is  the lovers  of  fairy tales   score ?
VS  SP 500  10Y  score   like  50%.
Just on  RF   flagship  TITANIC  they  lost  $  13 B   as  explained  here

https://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22008048

https://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22021850

https://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22042993

Bob's  DISASTROUS  IVAN   fighting  delisting  is  even  worse
March  1  2001      Robert M. Friedland..had . 45,402,120   IVAN   sh  =  35.74%  
Few  months  earlier  IVAN SP on top  was  $  25
https://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IE.TO&t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=
So  his  shares  in 2000 were  worth  $  1.3 b
March 7   2013    60,397,558  before  3:1  REVERSE SPLIT
 to avoid  Nasdaq  delisting =17.40 %   x  70  c
= $  45 m =  $  1. 25  b
  =  94%  LESS   geeeeeesus  
Means,   investors  who  stayed  with him  the  round  trip
lost   like  $1-2  b

===============
 E . Forbes  takes  2  snapshots  each  Y , of  mostly market cap of   billionaires cos.
Middle  of Sep  for  400 list  and  Feb  27  prices  for  world  billionaires  list

Quick  look  at  Bob`s   3 cos   charts   Sept  16 - Jan 3  2014
** 8.4%  stake  in TRQ =$  340m  mid  Sep.
 ( TRQ $4 mid  Sep. x  1.01b  sh = $ 4.040 m cap )
TRQ  Jan 3  = $ 3.2 = 20% lower =   $ 68 m loss = $ 282 m  RF  stake

** IVAN 18%  stake   just 10%  lower  than mid  Sep=  $1.5 m loss=  $14.5 m stake

**IVN.to    27% stake ( with vested options)10%  lower = $54  M loss = 540m stake

TOTAL  LOSS  SINCE  FORBES   SEP  $ 1,150M AUDIT
  TILL JAN  3  2014  =  $124 M

DOWN  RIGHT TO  THE  EDGE  OF  $  1 B  TRESHOLD   AND  AT LEAST
60 PLACES  BELOW   ,TO  QUALIFY  FOR  400 LIST   AGAIN  in  2014  

**due to  TRQ  100%  dilution in progress  he  will  buy / bought
 another  $200m   worth of  TRQ  to keep  same  stake

=================
E. TOTAL VISIBLE  WEALTH IN  ABOVE  COS   $  937 M
SO, ABOUT  $  100M IS   TIED in  LOANS  TO  HIS  COS  AND  OTHER
BUSINESSES (  flipping  and  keeping privately  mining licences  
and  real  estate ,  Ivanhoe  Capital (IC) and  his  newest  adventure  
- HOLLYWOOD   ( note  3 )
Looks  ,  there is   not much  visible cash  reserves ,
 given  the  YEARS  and  $  BILLIONS   of  cash needed
 to  keep  alive  IVAN and   develop IVN .
His  private   or  IC  debt   ,if  any , not included.
Therefore,he  may  have  difficulties  in   maintaiuning his  
 27%  stake  in IVN  without selling  other  assets  or  indebting himself

F. IVN MUST  DILUTE  HUGELY  ( and or  take   huge   debt )
 TO  RISE  THE  NEEDED  CASH   (for   hardly profitable  one of  the
  mines-= TRQ  DE JA  VU )  note 2  
IE. to be  able  to  buy   $ ++200m   in TRQ  dilution  
 and  $ 27 m In IVN  dilution
, he    sold   8  months  ahead  of   it ( Apr 19/13 )
$ 230m worth of    what  looks like  short  TRQ put
 he  apparently  bought  since    TRQ  $17

 G.   IS  ROBER  FREDLAND  EFFECTIVELY  SHORTING  
TURQUISE  HILL RESOURCES FOR   2  Y  NOW   , SINCE  $  16.71  ?

Hedging  ,insuring the  value  of  his  privaetly held TRQ  shares
WAS  A NECESSITY  , back   in fall  2011  ( last time   when TRQ  was  $17)
when he  realized ,he  will be  outsted  by  RIO
 and knew, TRQ  will go  nowhere  , but  down.
( the  inflated  TRQ price  was  hanging on the  hope
  he  will orchestrate  if  not  a bidding war  than  at least
 TO of  whole  co  at  a premium ...
 sorry  he  didn`t live  up to  Voices  Bay legend ...OUCH )

Closing  his  put  position  = selling  17 m   TRQ  sh for  $ 16.78  
WHEN TRQ  TRADED  AROUND  $  6    looooooool
WAS  A  BRILLIANT  MOVE   AND   SAVED  HIM  FROM  $  175 M LOSES
( those  17 m  sh  would be  worth today  just  $ 55m )

LOOKS , RF  WAS IN EFFECT  ( INTENTIONALLY OR  NOT - DOESN`T MATTER )
SHORTING  TRQ    FOR  2  Y  NOW  (NOTE  1)
SINCE  $  16.71 .
 PRIVATELY -  SO, NO  ONE  KNEW  till the  sale  .

BUYING NOW  TRQ  AT   $ 2.4  (  JUST  TO MAINTAIN  HIS  8.4%  STAKE )
IS  AN  EQUIVALENT OF   COVERING THE  SHORT.
MAY  /MAY  NOT  BE  AS     BRILLIANT  IDEA   AS THE  HEDGE  

================
NOTE   1
HRE IS  THE   SALE  
Apr 19/13     Apr 19/13     Friedland, Robert Martin     Indirect Ownership     Common Shares     11 - Disposition carried out privately     -7,645,166     $16.78
Apr 19/13     Apr 19/13     Friedland, Robert Martin     Indirect Ownership     Common Shares     11 - Disposition carried out privately     -6,263,714     $16.78
Apr 19/13     Apr 19/13     Friedland, Robert Martin     Direct Ownership     Cash settled contract     72 - Other settlement of third party derivative     -2     
Apr 19/13     Apr 17/13     Friedland, Robert Martin     Direct Ownership     Common Shares     11 - Disposition carried out privately     -2,971,620     $16.78

There  are   2 possible   explanations( among  few  other posible   shemes)
how RF  could  sell   TRQ  shares  trading  at  $  6  for  $  16.71  
By April 28th, 2013   STOCK  DROPPED     BELOW   4   =  24%  AFTER  THAT.

Most  rich people  do not  just  sit  on their  shares  and pray
  for  market  mercy  like   most  individual  small investos  do.
The  billions  or  millions  of  capital  locked -in in the  shares  
is  LEVERAGED   =  borrowed ,  used  as collateral  for  loans ,
 hedged , insured . margined  , used in  exotic   derivatives   gambits   etc.
Especially by  guys  like   RF  who  love  to live on the  edge .
  From preserving  his   wealth  perspective   , RF  puts  are
not only  understandable  , but     almost sure  thing ... he  does  that.
ESPECIALLY IF  HE  KNOWS  THE  SHARES  WILL GO  DOWN
ESPECIALLY  IF  HE IS  ABOUT  TO LOSE    CONTROL  OF  CO.BACK IN 2011

Short put  is  just  soft / another  form of   shorting.
For  investors   it may  look  ugly  and   unethical  
when oficially  he  hypes and pumps  
and  is  privetely    betting  on   SP  downfall.
But , hey  what  is  new  here  ?

He   explained  this  sale   as  `settling  some  derivatives  obligations  , bets  .
The  poor  counterparty  which  sold  him that insurance  lost  $  175 m minus  1.5  y of
 premiums  RF  paid  

TRANSACTIONS OF  LESS THAN 5%  OF  CO.  DOES NOT  REQUIRE   SEC  REPORITING
So,  we  won`t know    what  exactly  happened  
Bought privately puts  didn`t  show on eschanges    either.

IF  YOU  CAN    EXPLAIN  THIS  BETTER  .. THAN , PLEASE   DO.

BUT  THIS  RISES  A    SERIOUS   Q
DID  HE    DO THE   SAME  WITH  HIS  REMAINING  whole or part
 80 M  SH  OF  TRQ ,AND  same   with IVN   SHARES "
HMMMMM
At least  we know  now  , he  can do  this  over  and over  again  .. all the  time .

IN  WHICH  CASE  HE  MAY  BE   STILL  A  BILLIONAIRE
- THE  DROP I N PRICE     ALLOWS  HIM TO  CASH OUT
 HUNDREDS OF  $ MILLIONS     WITHOUT  AFFECTING  HIS  STAKES
 IN COMPANIES  WHEN HE  SELLS  FOR  $  230M  AND  BUYS  BACK  FOR  $   60M
AT   5  TIMES .... 5  TIMES.... 5  TIMES   LOWER  PRICE.
geeeeeeeeesus  
BRILLIANT IN  DEED   at  cost  of   the investing pigs  of  course.
Reading his   "goldrn lips  "  and  not  watching  his  iron  fists  

2. The other  explanation is ,he  found  a  stright  buyer
 willing  to pay  $  16 for  something he  could buy on market  for  $6
That is  only possible  in  not  arms lenght  transaction
IE selling  to  his  other  cos .
( you better  check  if  IE  17m  TRQ sh
or   a position  $ 230m ``nvesting   amount ``
   appeared  on    IVN  balace  sheet  looool)

3.  this  sale  cost  him  losing  the  remnants of  his  power =
  2  directors on  TRQ  BOD
and the   future  insider`s  insight
Quite  a price ,  suggesting  desperation  , a need  for cash .

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note  2  
The  only  known  economics   is  the  PFS  for  Kipushi mine
15% or  so IRR  in todays   falling Cu prices  envinron points  to
NO  GO  =  wasted  money  on buying  and  developing the  property
The  most  dangerous  mining  jurisdiction in world  requires
 TREBBLE  that  IRR =  45%
No  one  will lend  them  for the  capex
Everyone  knows  that  PFS  is  for  suckers  
and  even BANKABLE FS   pumped  IRR   trurns  to be
  in most  cases 3  times  lower at  start of  prod   time  ..if  you  lucky
 IE  TRQ pumped  at  FS  time  35% (or  whatever  2  times  better  IRR than Kipushi )
turned   into  around  5%   ....geeeeesus  )

Investing on basis of  most  unreliable , most  and  easy manipulabe  NPV
 is  equivalent of  investing on basis of  clicks in dot.coms.
Counting of  quick  flip  ..    well,   it took   RF  12  y  to   do  ( not  voluntary )  TRQ  flip . exit.

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 note   3  
Finally   Bob    reached  his   destiny  - the  story  telling  factory
HOLLYWOOD= IVANHOE  PICTURES   CO

INSTEAD  OF  SELLING   FAIRY  MINING  TALES  
 WHICH   most of  the  time  HAVE  LOOSE   CONNECTION  TO  REALITY
HE  CAN  NOW   SELL TOTAL  FICTION
...  AND  GET AWAY  WITH  IT  
looool
Rumors  are   the  fairy tale  about  himself  will be  the   first
Nostalgic  rekindling of   Gone  With The  Wind  
  faddel   away long  ago`legend`.

Ready  the  popcorn  , if  you  still can  afford  one
  after  investing in  his   cos  
 LOOOL
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