Venture:IMO if you just post the material that you find and DON'T get into a war of words with Patrick that you won't win, we other shareholders are able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Pat's eloquence is only exceeded by the excuberance of his own verbosity and my speaking to him via email was the reason for my original investment. The bottom line is: Pat has had his chance to move this " world class property" into a world class operation, AND FAILED. . Whether Adrian et al can salvage this operation remains to be seen. I don't see that potential new investors will be very interested when read the war of words being tossed around on this site. JMHOi