Interesting post rbsanitation you could very well be right. On market call today the guest was Michael Smedley, one of the more pragmatic guests, in my observation. Regarding BB he was little coy and evasive. He finally said he sees it as a bit of a gamble but also an investment opportunity. He also said he owns some personally. My hunch after listening to a lot these different managers and investors is that a good portion of them in are in BB personally but don't disclose unless pushed.