RE:be wiseDoube, If those who are perpetually negative have an agenda, can it not also be said that those who are perpetually positive do as well? You call lots charlatans here, I don't even know what one of those are but I would put you in the exact same camp only on the exact opposite side. You do realize if you are wrong here in calling sgc a "sure winner" like you do on a regular basis, you will have hurt for more people than those negative charlatans ever did? Zad