RE:transformational business With the new guy at the helm it maybe that someone or larger investors have presented a large deal or grander scheme in which case this could turn and burn, I find the Db,s have held ground and cibc had a some what large crossover, so if they present something that a lot of investors want to take a run at and get a piece of and more so if they payout the Db,s in any kind of deal, so from what i see here is its a dog but it can run either way