thoughtsprinting sales is so much of a relationship sale as any number of companies have presses that can make the same thing and with China and the US many cheaper even with the dollar I would like to know what is going on with the sales force 2 or 3 years back they talked about bringing in outside high powered sales guns I wondered if that worked out as no doubt they walked up the backs of their current sales force to do that also is the sales force today motivated to grow sales or are they just beaten down to save Money sales growth is the key if they have negative revenue growth next quarter it could be a good indicator where they are at