RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:BankruptLumber, you talk in circles making everything from insiders blowing out of their stock as bullish. The "Company" that you refer to as making the decision ARE the Insiders. So if the company decided to take cash for the rsu's thenit is the same as saying the insiders decided wanted cash. And they want cash because they know shares worthless in BK
Who do you think "the company" is if its not Kupinsky (Chairman) and Borkowski (Chief financial officer). The company decide to take cash, then that means insiders decided. Period. You are trying to twist it around saying insiders had no choice about what company decided.
Insiders = Company. You have no argument. Lumberfeverlong wrote: I respectfully disagree. The Company not the insiders decided to force settlement in Cash. This means the company is not concerned about liquidity and prefers to avoid dilution. They were able to settle in cash when the share price is highly depressed. It was the right move for the company if they believe they can afford paying in cash. For the insiders this puts cash in their hands to be able to pay income tax on the vested RSUs.
DanKwong1958 wrote: I fail to see the point you are trying to make to Norish. The company settled the RSU's in cash to the insiders instead of shares. This is not a bullish move, but you seem to think that it is. If the Board of Directors thought that the share price was going to move up they would have kept them in shares. Just like you or me decides to hold or sell. If they had NO choice that would be another thing but the passage clearly states that they had "sole discretion" So there you go ... proving the point that the shorts are making once again.
These insiders should never have received rsu's in the first place While the stock is tanking they give themselves a nice cash payment just blows my mind
Lumberfeverlong wrote: I think people need to take what you say with a grain of salt sir. The following passage is taken from the Concordia's last management information circular.
"On each vesting date, the Corporation decides, in its sole discretion, whether to make all payments in respect of vested RSUs to the RSU Participant in cash, Common Shares issued from treasury or a combination thereof based on the fair market value of the Common Shares as at such date. For the purposes of the LTIP, the fair market value of a Common Share is the weighted average trading price of the Common Shares on the TSX for the 5 trading days immediately preceding the vesting date for a RSU or DSU Termination Date (as defined below) in respect of DSUs, as applicable"
NOIRISH wrote: And for the record, I do receive RSUs as well as options under a plan and although obviously not Concordia, I am not forced to cash either when they vest. So take what Lumber has said with a grain of salt when he says that they were forced to cash them on November 22nd, which coincidentally was the dae that the Bondholders said they lawyered up to force the company into Chapter 11 restructuring before they blow out of the cash they just received from the secured notes.
NOIRISH wrote: I know how RSU's work and they did not have to exercise them for cash on the vesting date. They could have held on them, no company forces you to cash out your RSU's upon vesting - as that has tax implications to employees and defeats the purpose if you have to cash them as soon as they vest. You can't exercise them for cash UNTIL THEY VEST, but there is nothing in the management circular issued at the last AGM that details that says you have to cash them on the vesting date (which is 6 months to a three year period after they were awarded). I agree with the poster who said that this is a bearish sign. And I also agree with previous posters who say that you can BELIEVE NOTHING that comes out of this managmenet including the money thay "say" they have. (Not that they are saying anything now, probably on advice of their legal counsel.)
No position. One held, but thankfully exited months ago when the CEO and Kupinsky started shuffling their shares to other business entities off shore.
Lumberfeverlong wrote: Do you even know how RSUs work? Upon vesting, which is dependent on time elapsing and sometimes performance metrics being met, the RSUs are paid out on the basis of the share price at the time of vesting or during a short period before vesting date. All of these insiders were paid out under the plan. It is not the bearish sign you are claiming to make it.
Shortingtozero2 wrote: All Insiders cashed their vested RSU's 2016-Nov-22 at CAD $4.3460
The same day that the Bondholders got Akin Gump to represent them.
This is Pure Gold. Equity is Zero.