RE:Rusty Dusty 85I sense a little bitterness Dow, we shouldn't let emotion get in the way of constructive discussion. As you are clearly telling me to get my head examined I'll take the higher ground and forget about that childish comment. Ascot themselves have been saying for a while that there long term target is 20 million ounces. I didn't dream up the number, they did. The people that know the area well and have been down this road before. Let's not forget what John did with Snip and Eskay Creek.I don't understand the negativity towards it...... but it is possible that they will eventually get there and that was all I was trying to say. The fact that they keep that as the upper threashold speaks volumes to what they think they have. I agree about the gold market comment, we need a strong market to realize big gains. However, If Ascot can pin down the high grade and go after it themselves we could be in for quite a ride even with gold where it is now. I think Greg Gibson was on to something when he said this will be like Pretivm all over again. You or I are not the experts here, these kind of guys are.