VancKC8, this is all just my opinion! And information I am seeing. I am in the hard times with this stock as well as many others. There are a lot of things coming together with vanc lately. I agree that management sucked, however there been changes. Everyone was expecting this to bloom over night... that's crazy everything takes time... and if you don't agree well your didn't study business much! We all know that they need money, we're all waiting for the PP. However in my opinion typically when there is not much being said thats when people that know things slowly by ( possible insiders). maybe today was the last of it! Who knows, we might see news release tomorrow and this start to take off like 2 years ago.