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oh my, why are you so worried about what people think. maybe that's your issue. and if you go back as far as the beginning of my post I included all angles about veganism, animal cruelty, saving the plant and health. And the mere fact that you are saying you tried a plant based diet shows you're a total liar on more than one scale. anyways, the big time investors are not on this piddle website and who cares what any of these people think about our "debate". people love this stuff. hahaha...anyways. Have a great weekend. I don't hold negativity with me for long. it's not good for us. Don't be mad, be happy. and go back on that so called plant based diet, it really does do you good. Go have some fries and a toasted tomoate and avocado sandwich. Go vegan:) It also makes your peepee grow bigger.