VICI knew Orval well...was a director of David and later Globaltex ( Pine River Coal) and was President for a short period of Caroline which had been renamed Anglo Swiss Mines....control rested with a group in New York, UK and Zurich. Used to meet Orval at the Vancouver club for many years to discuss strategy. I have taken several helicopter trips to the mine with analysts from Toronto and New York so I know the property pretty well. I live in Toronto. The current status of the property is very sad..it has so much potential.