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Ivanhoe Mines Ltd T.IVN

Alternate Symbol(s):  IVPAF

Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. is a Canada-based mining, development, and exploration company. The Company is focused on the mining, development and exploration of minerals and precious metals from its property interests located primarily in Africa. Its projects include The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex, The Kipushi Project, The Platreef Project., and The Western Foreland Exploration Project. The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex project stratiform copper deposit with adjacent prospective exploration areas within the Central African Copperbelt, approximately 25 kilometers (km) west of the town of Kolwezi and about 270 km west of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The Kipushi mine is adjacent to the town of Kipushi in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) approximately 30 km southwest of the provincial capital of Lubumbashi. The 21 licenses in the Western Foreland cover a combined area of 1,808 square kilometers to the north, south and west of the Kamoa-Kakula Copper Complex.


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Post by bloomfield18on Feb 21, 2019 1:08pm
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NPV and EBITDA Don’t Explain Trading Action

NPV and EBITDA Don’t Explain Trading ActionThis just serves to illustrate that “The Market” is not always rational as some may  believe. Katanga  is operating in the same province of DRC as Kamoa. They enjoy a market cap of C$1.2 billion, despite incurring a loss of $116 M in the fourth quarter. They did earn $59 M in Q3. Once their cobalt production gets back on stream they should return to profitability. Cash on hand is just over $5 million. But they also have more than $6 billion in long term debt due in 2021 with interest between 5.5 and 7%. With that kind of high debt load, they may return to profitability, but investors won’t see a cent. If investors won’t see so much as one thin dime, why the relatively high market cap? A company is supposed to generate profits. Yet the market generates stories. In mining, traders often value companies based on their story, more than the bottom line. In other words, sometimes stocks trade strictly on emotions.

Compare that with IVN. Even at NPV8, where cash flow is discounted by 8% to consider the time value of money, they are still wildly profitable for all three advanced projects. Cash on hand plus short term deposits are around US$600 M. That’s a big improvement over $5 M. And debt will likely come in at $1 to $1.5B, not 6B+. The Company should develop one project at a time, only forging ahead with construction, when another is already in production. That way they can avoid a debt trap like KAT is experiencing.

To summarize, NPV, EBITDA, BV and other measures are important to arrive at an objective value for the Company. However, they often can’t be used to explain trading action. Don’t try to force a square peg in a round hole. If objective measures indicate high value, the market will eventually meander around to the same conclusion in time.

One note: Kasparov is right. The political situation in DRC and South Africa has a direct impact on bottom line profits. So, its legitimate for posters to bring up news on the topic. But as can be seen from the comparison with KAT, that impact can be hard to quantify. Even in a politically stable jurisdiction, it would be difficult to justify KAT’s C$1.2 B market cap, strictly by objective measures. Of course, on a practical level, more political stability and less corruption always make for a much better business climate. 


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