Pandora wrote: Red_Deer wrote: Question to BOTH You and PanDora__presumably you have children and likely grand children
If so have YOU had enough observations/communications with them to have a GOOD
understanding of WHERE they are with regard to GRETA et AL__in my case my adult children
ALL are MUCH MORE inclined to side with GRETA et AL than with MY Views__and they also
VOTE accordingly__and make a Lot of Effort to LIVE accordingly too__even though they
know full well how IT Used to BE for me during my lifetime to date.
Good points my friend...
My older great grandchildren are about the same age as Greta. We have had many discussions about the world that will exist when they are my age. I will be the first to admit that I share their concerns and in this sense we share a common interest. Where we differ is the answer to the question..."What do we do about it"
A lot if this discussion and seeing the likes of Greta and AOC in the US....it reminds me a lot of what saw in the 1960s where the young rebelled against the older generation and sought new solutions and rejected the wisdom that comes with experience and having seen things before.
My strongest message to my "clan" is that I agree that the previous generations were selfish and thoughtless and have left a mess in many ways for succeeding generations...BUT...that doesn't mean that you should reject all their advice...NOR...does it mean that they can't help to make up for their sins....at least for my family this message has seemed to resonate
VERY good Post FanTome__Well Said indeed!!!
I KNOW that Myself it was not til I was in my mid 30s that I first began RELATING to the SEEDS which had been PLANTED in the Back Recesses of My Mind by MY Parents__ALL OF WHICH I had til then NOT been At All Inclined to Accept or Follow.
I suspect that ALL Generations WILL CONTINUE doing THIS eh???
So PanDora__YOU are UP at BAT Next__what would YOU want to share with us eh?
I have 2 children both pushing the age of 50. My daughter has pretty much always been a tree hugger and an animal lover but she hesitates at the "climate change is an existential threat" mantra suggesting that it will destroy her kids and grandkids lives. She seems to have a touch of old fashioned common sense, probably inherited from her father. Try to keep a cool head while others are losing theirs.
She has 2 children, 12 and 15 and they are very busy doing what kids do such as school, baseball, football, movies, some trips, and just mucking about the neighbourhood with other kids. I have never sat and had a discussion with them about the possibilities of the world coming to some climatic extreme. I have put in 80 years of living on this earth and a catastrophic event such as the climate destroying the planet is something that does not dwell on my mind and never really has. I have been breathing this air and living through the various stages of our weather for these 80 years, and with that experience and my upbringing I guess I just take life one day at a time. Many, many things will change in the next 80 years as they have in the past 80 years -- I just don't think the planet dying from a massive build-up will be one of those changes.
My son is an underwater diver and photographer living in Bali, Indonesia. He is very outspoken about the pollution in the ocean over there and he also does video's for the environmental groups over there because the environment is not that well looked after.
He is of a mixed mind on the climate change mantra because he reads about it in the media, which is not necessarily an unbiased reporting of the facts or, of both sides of the story ( a common theme for a lot of media these days -- something else that is not like the old days). One thing they have over there is almost daily or weekly earthquakes and frequent volcanoes (Ring of Fire). They also have the annual burning of slash, and more, on their palm oil plantations which covers the whole area in a cloud of smoke for months at a time..
In Palangkaraya, the capital of central Kalimantan, the Air Quality Index (AQI) reached 2000 in 2015, according to Greenpeace Indonesia. Anything between 301-500 is considered hazardous. As I say not well looked after. (Will our carbon tax fix that?)
He certainly feels there is lots of room for environmental and pollution controls over there but he is not looking at the reduction of CO2 as being the saviour for what their concerns are. They have a lot of "real" problems that need fixing and a government that is not all that interested in making it a bid priority.
It's likely that both of my kids have more concerns than their father regarding the guarding of the environment and that is because they were born 30 years after me and grew up in a changing world. In the 40's, 50's and 60's I was raised in that age of 'just build it, we need it', and we did it. But we also learned along the way, as did the generation before us and the generation after us and every generation that comes along. We all keep learning how to do things better, how to do things safer, and how to do things within reason. What we don't need is fear mongers trying to stampede people into doing things in a stupid manner because of panic.
We all know what happens in a crowded theatre when someone yells fire. We don't really need that regarding the buildup of CO2. There is far more time than "they" are trying to portray in order for it to be well thought out and approached rationally. And the younger generations will be a major factor in determining that course, as long as they are not in "panic mode" trampling over everybody in their way.
Never did like stampedes, or the ones that cause them.