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Comment by mrbbon Apr 06, 2020 7:52pm
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RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Face Masks.... more common sense

RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Face Masks.... more common sense

why are you repeating what i've said? I said it is rare to be infected by aerosol covid19 but is not never or impossible.  I already read up on the subject before i made my claim, no need to repost long piece of WHO garbage which i don't read anyway. Also, i don't believe everything what WHO said. They are part of the UN with an agenda.  Why did WHO said mask is not effective? WHO is corrupt as CCP china.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LqWX8D_Tns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fASh2_RzMuE

wheeloffortune wrote: The World Health Organization says COVID 19 is not transmitted airborne and droplet transmission is different .  https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations


"Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5μm in diameter, can remain in the air for long periods of time and be transmitted to others over distances greater than 1 m."

They say it's POSSIBLE to make it make airborne ARTIFICIALLY, but NOT NATURALLY like just walking into a grocery store and breathing: "In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation."

They recommend N95 masks for healthcare workers treating patients with COVID-19: "...US Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, recommend airborne precautions for any situation involving the care of COVID-19 patients, and consider the use of medical masks as an acceptable option in case of shortages of respirators (N95, FFP2 or FFP3).18-19 "

If N95 respirators were only 95% effective against COVID-19, then why aren't doctors using P100 masks which are 99.98% effective?  Or better yet, use NBC miltary gas masks?  Doctors and nurses would not enter a COVID 19 hospital emergency room if there was a 5% risk.  Why would they put themselves at that kind of risk?  A nurse would just file a complaint with the union and not enter the ward.

I would trust the WHO as a more reliable source than MSN or the Washington Examiner.  Here's the whole article from WHO:

Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19: implications for IPC precaution recommendations

Scientific brief

29 March 2020

This version updates the 27 March publication by providing definitions of droplets by particle size and adding three relevant publications. 

Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus

Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes.2-7 In an analysis of 75,465 COVID-19 cases in China, airborne transmission was not reported.8
 

Droplet transmission occurs when a person is in in close contact (within 1 m) with someone who has respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing or sneezing) and is therefore at risk of having his/her mucosae (mouth and nose) or conjunctiva (eyes) exposed to potentially infective respiratory droplets. Transmission may also occur through fomites in the immediate environment around the infected person.8 Therefore, transmission of the COVID-19 virus can occur by direct contact with infected people and indirect contact with surfaces in the immediate environment or with objects used on the infected person (e.g., stethoscope or thermometer). 

 

Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5μm in diameter, can remain in the air for long periods of time and be transmitted to others over distances greater than 1 m. 

 

In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation. 


There is some evidence that COVID-19 infection may lead to intestinal infection and be present in faeces. However, to date only one study has cultured the COVID-19 virus from a single stool specimen.9  There have been no reports of faecal−oral transmission of the COVID-19 virus to date.

 

Implications of recent findings of detection of COVID-19 virus from air sampling 

To date, some scientific publications provide initial evidence on whether the COVID-19 virus can be detected in the air and thus, some news outlets have suggested that there has been airborne transmission. These initial findings need to be interpreted carefully.

 

A recent publication in the New England Journal of Medicine has evaluated virus persistence of the COVID-19 virus.10 In this experimental study, aerosols were generated using a three-jet Collison nebulizer and fed into a Goldberg drum under controlled laboratory conditions. This is a high-powered machine that does not reflect normal human cough conditions. Further, the finding of COVID-19 virus in aerosol particles up to 3 hours does not reflect a clinical setting in which aerosol-generating procedures are performed—that is, this was an experimentally induced aerosol-generating procedure. 

 

There are reports from settings where symptomatic COVID-19 patients have been admitted and in which no COVID-19 RNA was detected in air samples.11-12 WHO is aware of other studies which have evaluated the presence of COVID-19 RNA in air samples, but which are not yet published in peer-reviewed journals. It is important to note that the detection of RNA in environmental samples based on PCR-based assays is not indicative of viable virus that could be transmissible. Further studies are needed to determine whether it is possible to detect COVID-19 virus in air samples from patient rooms where no procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are ongoing. As evidence emerges, it is important to know whether viable virus is found and what role it may play in transmission. 

 

Conclusions

Based on the available evidence, including the recent publications mentioned above, WHO continues to recommend droplet and contact precautions for those people caring for COVID-19 patients. WHO continues to recommend airborne precautions for circumstances and settings in which aerosol generating procedures and support treatment are performed, according to risk assessment.13 These recommendations are consistent with other national and international guidelines, including those developed by the European Society of Intensive Care Medicine and Society of Critical Care Medicine14 and those currently used in Australia, Canada, and United Kingdom.15-17

 

At the same time, other countries and organizations, including the US Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, recommend airborne precautions for any situation involving the care of COVID-19 patients, and consider the use of medical masks as an acceptable option in case of shortages of respirators (N95, FFP2 or FFP3).18-19 

 

Current WHO recommendations emphasize the importance of rational and appropriate use of all PPE,20 not only masks, which requires correct and rigorous behavior from health care workers, particularly in doffing procedures and hand hygiene practices.21 WHO also recommends staff training on these recommendations,22 as well as the adequate procurement and availability of the necessary PPE and other supplies and facilities. Finally, WHO continues to emphasize the utmost importance of frequent hand hygiene, respiratory etiquette, and environmental cleaning and disinfection, as well as the importance of maintaining physical distances and avoidance of close, unprotected contact with people with fever or respiratory symptoms. 

 

WHO carefully monitors emerging evidence about this critical topic and will update this scientific brief as more information becomes available.

 

mrbb wrote:

Sorry to tell you common sense does drive with science. The covid-19 virus have shown to stay alive (ie. effective) from 3 hours to 3+ days outside of the host, depending on the type of surface, temperature and humidity condition.   Surely the water content of the liquid droplet can evaporate during those time period, leaving the covid19 virus not encased with anything. If the surface is not disturb or air draft blown by it, virus likely stay put and eventually die off.  However, if the surface is in high traffic area or high air movement area, the virus can be lift back up above the surface. Studies have shown the virus stay put on the ground if there is no disturbance. IE it is low chance getting infected by covid19 by aerosol transmission BUT IT IS NOT NEVER. 

By N95 specification, it can stop 95% of particles at .3 micron or bigger, however, the covi-19 virus is approximately 0.125 micron.  Hence why WHO had said face mask is not effective against covid19 but WHO didn't clarify the reason nor helping the curb the covid19 outbreak. IMO face masks does work by preventing water droplets in the air and when talking, sneezing and coughing. So, WHO is disingenuous about face mask purpose. . 

Here are what frontline medical workers have said

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/china-confirms-aerosol-spread-of-covid-19-frontline-medical-workers-need-to-wear-right-masks/ar-BB10ljdt
 
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fauci-not-ruling-out-aerosol-transmission-of-coronavirus
 
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

N95 Respirators

An N95 respirator is a respiratory protective device designed to achieve a very close facial fit and very efficient filtration of airborne particles.

The 'N95' designation means that when subjected to careful testing, the respirator blocks at least 95 percent of very small (0.3 micron) test particles. If properly fitted, the filtration capabilities of N95 respirators exceed those of face masks. However, even a properly fitted N95 respirator does not completely eliminate the risk of illness or death.

 

 

 

wheeloffortune wrote: Nothing you said proves COVID-19 is airborne.  If COVID-19 was airborne, why would medical doctors be wearing N95 masks in the hospital rooms treating patients with COVID-19?  Shouldn't they be wearing NBC charcoal filtered gas masks instead?  Are you telling me you are smarter on this topic than a medical doctor??

quote=RagingBull3]Just exhale on cold glass, you will see your moisture your body lets out of your body..  

Use your common sense.    



 

 

wheeloffortune wrote: You have zero common sense.  Evaporation works through steam.   The human body doesn't release steam (you've been watching too many cartoons).   Respiratory droplets with COVID 19 on it are propelled through the air by air pressure from our lungs and fall to the ground like a cannon ball with a range of 6'.   That's why the CDC recommends a social distance of 6 feet.  It's not air borne like a fart--it doesn't move through the air like a fart.

RagingBull3 wrote: Ever hear of EVAPORATION !!!    When some of those tiny water droplets carrying the Virus evaporate in the air, where do you think the virus is left?  In the air.   They are air borne!!!   

You ever see how a humidifier works??  It shoots a mist of water in the air.   It evaporates even before it hits the ground.   



wheeloffortune wrote: Wrong.  CDC says the virus is not airborne, it only exists on floating water droplets which is why the N95 is effective for that size of particle matter.  When you cough or sneeze, the virus is released in water droplets--the virus doesn't float alone in air.  On surfaces, it lives in bacteria up to 24 hours.  It cannot survive alone.  Concentration affecting life or death again is nonsense, as it can replicate really fast if the immune system doesn't respond properly.   Where are you getting this from?? 

Preexisting conditions plays a large role whether you live or die.  What they've found is the highest risk factor is morbid obesity, a BMI of 30+ or 40 lbs overweight because your lungs aren't large enough to handle the spread.  Dr. Vuong's collegue in NY found 70% of patients who have no other preexisting conditions were hooked up to ventillators only had morbid obesity in common.  His collegue in NY has patients in their 30s hooked up to ventilators with no other condition than morbid obesity, 40+ lbs overweight.  It's not an old person virus.  Watch this video explaining what COVID-19 is and how it can kill you from a Dr. Duc Vuong, a general surgeon from Texas who wrote 13 books. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM

RagingBull3 wrote: are they 100% effective.... of course not.   N95... I think means 95% only, and that for particular matter of a certain size.   A virus is much smaller.  

But it does provide some protection.  Some is better than NONE.   It can reduce the amount (concentration) of viruses entering your body.    Concentration of initial infection probably plays a large role in how bad you get, if you live or die.

Face Mask best use probably is for the infected person to wear it.  Stoping/reducing the spread at its source.   

And since we don't know who's infected or not, best everyone wear a mask.

Some protection is better than none.   Some prevention is better than none.

 

 

 

 

 

 




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